You Can Follow Jesus and Support Charlie Kirk
Violence in America is escalating — Charlie Kirk assassinated, President Trump targeted, Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman killed. In today’s episode, Todd Huff unpacks not only the dangers of political violence but also the spiritual confusion it exposes.
After posting about Kirk’s assassination, Todd received backlash claiming that a true Christian cannot support Charlie Kirk. In response, Todd lays out the gospel clearly: salvation comes only through Christ, not political allegiance. He explains what it means to be a Christian, why context matters in evaluating Kirk’s controversial remarks, and how the left’s distortions fuel division and hostility.
From debates about treason and the Second Amendment to false claims about “separation of church and state,” Todd confronts the lies head-on. He challenges believers to be bold, not bitter, and to unite on principles of truth rather than fracture over petty disagreements.
The message: Christians can and must engage the cultural and political battles of our day without compromising the gospel. Silence is not an option in an age of hostility and deception.
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Todd Huff Show – September 16, 2025
Todd: Well, that is right, my friends. If it's not obvious by now, it absolutely should be. This country is in great tur… Turmoil. Great turmoil. We are in the midst of what I've been calling a cold civil war, and it's becoming more and more evident that that is not just a cold civil war, but this is heating up not just with the rhetoric, but of course with the evil, the violence that's been perpetrated. Charlie Kirk being assassinated.
Todd: Trump being shot at. Shot in the ear. And attempted assassination on Trump. In addition to that, two of those total and… We also, earlier this summer, had Minnesota State Representative Melissa Hortman, who was assassinated in her home.
Todd: So… we have just… violence abounds and we've got people cheering it on in some corners of this culture, and I want to talk about it today. I want to talk specifically. I want to talk specifically about a comment that I had gotten that I want to get into. There's been so much hate. Malign. I would say misrepresentation of Charlie Kirk. Someone commented on something that I had posted — I don't know, yesterday, this morning. “You can't be a real Christian,” they wrote, “following the teachings of Jesus and support Charlie Kirk.”
Todd: I want to talk about this today. I want to talk about this today because I don't think anything matters more. By the way, I will say this off the top as well. I may have mentioned this yesterday. But there was an individual — name was Darryl — who commented every day on the program. Now we've just kind of started doing this. Of course, we have the newsletter that goes out, but we also take basically kind of a summary of the show. When we put it on Facebook — we put it on Facebook — there's a link to the Stack of Stuff which gives you everything that goes into the program.
Todd: So that's the articles. That's a summary of what we discussed. It's the full transcript. There's a link to listen to the program. Everything is right there at your fingertips, and I post that every day. And we just started doing this. We've kind of revamped some things and trying some new things. I haven't been on social media for a while, just as we've restructured some things.
Todd: Anyway, there was a guy named Darryl who says he was a listener. I think he was. I think he's commented on things before and seemed to be on my side, but he was very upset at me for doing what he called grifting on the name of Charlie Kirk.
Todd: Now, I don't know if Darryl has listened to this program or to what degree he has over the course of the many years — we've been doing this ten years — but we talk about the issues that matter here. We talk about things at the intersection of politics, culture and faith. So I don't know if Darryl wanted me to ignore this issue.
Todd: This is the single most important issue that we're facing. I'm not saying that there are not other things that matter. But this is emblematic and symbolic. There is real loss. It's not just emblematic — this extends into everything, this extends into this entire battle that we are facing in this country, and because I talk about it, because I promote it on social media so that we can reach as many people as possible trying to cut through the noise and offer a message of hope and truth — you're going to come at me?
Todd: And not even ask, by the way — Darryl, and this is my problem with you — Darryl deleted his comments. Darryl didn't apologize for his comments. Darryl didn't correct his comments. Darryl didn't double down. Well, he did double down — because he said it twice to me. He made a comment to me saying that I was grifting. He didn't say, “Man, Todd, you're tiptoeing on a line that I don't feel comfortable with. Help me understand this.” No, he made a definitive comment about my character and nature.
Todd: And listen, I'll tell you, I'm conservative, not bitter to my core. But I'm also done with the nonsense. I'm done with the people that are going to behave like Darryl on both sides of this. If you have a question… If you want to challenge me, have at it. If you want to question my integrity — especially as a listener of this program — because I want to talk about the issue of Charlie Kirk and everything that comes from this. What it means.
Todd: I mean, just think about what this means for people who are out there — whether they're on college campuses speaking, whether they are speaking about this on podcast or radio, writing about it, simply making comments online. There are people that are calling for, justifying their murder, cheering on the death of an individual who has done, in my estimation, a whole lot of good in this country — and you don't want me to talk about it? I think that's pathetic. I think it's cowardly. And candidly, I'm over that sort of stuff.
Todd: And if you think I'm too hard on Darryl, you can tell me. But I've got screenshots of the post. Probably I might share them. I don't know. But we got to get through this. We have to unite. I am amazed. I am amazed at how people on the left — people on the left who stand for really nothing other than just their godless, debased radical ideology…
Todd: There's oftentimes no commonality between these folks. You have people who are radical, radicalized, have crazy beliefs, and they all kind of come together and say, “Look, I know my ideas don't really have anything to do with yours, but we're going to unite.” Meanwhile, we have people who, I think, unite on principle but will divide themselves metaphorically over what's for lunch on the conservative side, and it is mind boggling to me.
Todd: Mind boggling to me. And listen. If you want to come back to the movement and make sense — if you want to say, “You know what? I was wrong there,” fine. I welcome you back. But that sort of thinking I'm candidly done with. And I'm done with the thinking here that I talked about off the top where someone says you can't be a real Christian and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ and also support Charlie Kirk. We're going to get into all that.
Todd: Yes, I am fired up a little bit today, and I've all I got. It's a short week for me. We're here today, tomorrow, Wednesday. We'll be out Friday and through the most of next week. I think I'll be back Friday of next week, but…
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Todd: All right, again, the comment here that I want to talk about today is: You can't be a real Christian following the teachings of Jesus and support Charlie Kirk. That was something that I was told online. And as I think about this today, the first thing I want to do was share the gospel. Understand the gospel. What is the gospel?
Todd: I don't want you to believe that I'm some theologian. I don't want to come across as someone who thinks I've mastered the Bible. I haven't. I study it. I've read the entire thing a couple of times. I, at one point, had thought about going to seminary school for Christian apologetics. I only say that to say — I've been a Christian since 1993.
Todd: I don't have opinions on the Bible that just were formulated last week. It doesn't mean I can't be wrong. Certainly I can be. But let's break down what the gospel itself is, because the message here says you can't be a real Christian following the teachings of Jesus and support Charlie Kirk.
Todd: What I really want to get to today is — I have asked. I have asked AI. I have searched high and low and I'll ask you — if you're a leftist, if you're a Charlie Kirk hater in this audience — tell me the most objectionable things he has said, and we'll talk about them and we'll weigh that against this comment here that says you can't follow Jesus and support Charlie Kirk.
Todd: First of all, let me say this — the message of the gospel. You go back — when you talk about this, where do you begin? But I do oftentimes like to start at the beginning. God created humanity to be in an intimate relationship with Him. If you read the book of Genesis, you will find that at each evening in the cool of the day, God would walk with Adam and Eve in the garden.
Todd: I know that that seems preposterous to people who don't believe in God — who don't believe that. That just sounds like some fairy tale. I know that it's foreign to the way that this world works now. Now, spiritually, God walks with us each and every day, but just the concept of God coming down and physically walking — manifest the presence of God — walking with Adam and Eve in the garden — seems laughable to some people.
Todd: Oftentimes, these are the same people that believe life came from nothing and that we all evolved from a rock somehow — that space and matter and time were somehow created from nothing or no one. But anyway. God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden. He had an intimate relationship with them. That's what He wanted. God created us to experience life with Him, to be His workmanship, to do things in partnership with Him, live our entire lives communing and just in relationship with Him.
Todd: And then Adam and Eve sinned. Adam and Eve sinned. They listened to that serpent in the garden and they said — who told them that if you eat of this tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you're going to be like God. He's just trying to keep this stuff from you.
Todd: And it's amazing to think about, to live in perfect harmony with the Creator, but still be tempted to think that there's something more out there. But they did. They sinned, and we all do this. And by the way, any one of us in the garden would have done the same thing. I don't know how long it took — there are theories on this for the time of creation until the time of the fall. That doesn't really matter. What matters is that God had a plan to restore that relationship.
Todd: That's what God is after. And there is nothing — this is the message of the entire Bible — there is nothing that can bring you and I back to our Creator but God Himself. And if you go through the Old Testament, and the more I study this… I'm almost done with the book of Numbers.
Todd: I've been doing this study called The Bible Recap, which I encourage you to do. I know people are at different places with their faith. I am telling you, fantastic study. I am blown away. My wife introduced me to it a year or so ago — about two years ago now. I'm just blown away by what I've learned from this. I'm not saying there's not other good studies or anything like that. I'm just saying that this is phenomenal.
Todd: I have a deeper appreciation. I used to cringe when people talked about doing a study or reading the book of Numbers. But I'm telling you — this book is incredible. These Old Testament books that we somehow, many of us — I did — think that it's just about genealogy, which it is, but it matters. Even that matters. And the more you learn, the more you see the beauty of all of this and just God's plan to bring us back.
Todd: And it started with His call of Abraham through his family. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. Went through to, ultimately, to Moses. Moses is the one who led the people out of bondage and slavery in Egypt into the Promised Land. And this idea here that God is coming to restore relationship with all people, by the way, through this particular family — through the family of Abraham — started as the physical lineage, and now it is the spiritual lineage of Abraham, those who have accepted His Son Jesus.
Todd: But it started — He started by saying: Look, your sin has to be atoned for. I am a God that is merciful and graceful, God tells us, we know, but I can't just ignore this sin. The sin has to be paid for. I'm a just God, God says, and I can't let this go unpunished. His justice demands that there be a payment made.
Todd: And so it started with a sacrificial system which you'll find in the Old Testament. Because there can be no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of innocent blood. And so the people were taking their sin and symbolically placing it upon these animals and sacrificing them.
Todd: It started at the Tabernacle, which was kind of a mobile temple of sorts. And then once the people got to Israel, once they established themselves in the Promised Land, eventually, through the story, they built a temple in Jerusalem.
Todd: By the way, part of that temple, the walls, the outer walls are still up. It's where you'll find the Dome of the Rock, the Muslim mosque in Jerusalem — which is where Jesus was crucified on those hills. It's where Abraham took Isaac up the mountain to sacrifice him. He didn’t, ultimately, because God provided a way. But that is where a lot of this story takes place, and it's where God made His presence, His physical presence, known to the Israelites.
Todd: He came and He dwelt in the temple. And they would once a year, in the Holy of Holies, make a sacrifice, Day of Atonement, for their sins. And God had told us in the Old Testament that that way of doing things was eventually going to be done away with in the Messiah.
Todd: The Messiah would come to once and for all be the atonement for the sins of the world. By the way, He paid for everybody's sin. It's just the question: are you redeemed? He said, I've paid it. Are you going to insist?
Todd: I gave the analogy the other day of — this happens in my family a lot — you go out to dinner with family, everybody wants to pay, no one will let the other person pay. And there's this back and forth. But Jesus paid. Jesus, when He was crucified, He was the Lamb of God. Behold, the Lamb of God, John the Baptist said, who takes away the sin of the world.
Todd: He was the final and perfect sacrificial lamb. The Old Testament system of sacrifice came to an end through Jesus Christ. And He paid the price.
Todd: In fact, if you go look — there are so many, I'll say tangents — but there are so many things we could talk about in detail here that really hammer home this point. The level of detail and insight and just the profound nature of God Himself in thinking about every single detail of how Jesus would represent the sacrificial lamb.
Todd: It's remarkable. By the way, Jesus is the lion and the lamb. The first time He came to planet Earth as a lamb. His return is going to be like a lion. That's going to be when justice is ultimately served. And that is why we need to, in this period that we have now, this time of grace, approach His throne of grace through the blood of Jesus Christ, asking for the forgiveness of our sins.
So the bottom line here, and I want to get onto as many of these things as I can. But the gospel — certainly where I left off — our job is to be made into the image of Christ. And so that isn’t what saves us, but that is fruit that we are saved. If I’m saved — meaning I belong to Him, He has redeemed me, I have accepted His free gift that He paid for — there’s just no payment from us. We can’t afford the payment for our sins.
Todd: So that’s what it means. That’s the gospel message in a nutshell. And the question then becomes, if we’re following Jesus, what does that look like? Now, I want you to tell me — and I would beg this person who’s made this comment (which they won’t, I know, they’re on social media, whatever) — but I would plead with this person to give me examples.
Todd: What is it about Charlie Kirk that makes him mean that you’re not a Christian? Because I just told you what a Christian was, right? I just told you what a Christian was. Now we can say Christians should be seeking to do those things that God calls good and holy, and we should refrain and abstain from those things which are sinful and wicked. We can agree on that. But the question is, what are those things?
Todd: See, it becomes clear to me. God is not in favor of killing unborn children. God is in favor of respecting His order and design. God made them male and female. All this transgender stuff is not from God. It doesn’t mean that you don’t love people who struggle with this. It doesn’t mean that you’re not graceful in understanding. It just means that that way of living is not from God.
Todd: In case I needed to say it — God is not in favor of people cheering for the death of other people. I would say, including those who are out there spreading His message, which Charlie Kirk did. So tell me exactly what Charlie Kirk did. One of the things people will say is that he called for the death penalty for Joe Biden. Quote here from his show, July 23, 2023: “Joe Biden should be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for crimes against America.”
Todd: Now, this freaks people out. You can’t be calling for the death of a sitting president. But what did Charlie Kirk mean? Context is king. Nuance matters here. Kirk was talking about treason. He basically was making the claim that Biden was guilty of treason, and that’s defined in the Constitution — Article III, Section 3. And that is punishable by death. That’s something in the Constitution.
Todd: Just like the Bible says “Thou shalt not murder” in the Ten Commandments, there’s also a list of times when people — biblically speaking, in the nation of Israel — where the things that they had committed, the things that they had done, justified the death penalty according to God. That was God’s prerogative. And by the way, not all Old Testament law applies. There’s the civil law, the ceremonial law, the moral law.
Todd: The civil law was for the nation of Israel that was governed as a theocracy. We can learn from that and learn what God is saying is good and bad and so forth. But that law doesn’t explicitly apply to 21st-century Christians. The ceremonial law — that was all fulfilled by Christ, becoming clean and so forth in the Old Testament, the way you had to do that. That’s done away with because Jesus cleaned us all, and Jesus took care of all that.
Todd: The only law that remains that’s relevant is the moral law, the law where God just declares something to be right or wrong. It’s His prerogative. It’s His universe. And so the moral law applies to all people in all times in all circumstances. But holding — it’s not against the rule of law to say… the moral law… to say that if someone in government is abandoning or doing something so heinous, abandoning his responsibility to protect the American people, if he’s doing something that allows there to be lots of suffering and death — as in the case with having open borders, just for example, there’s been death from that — now, you can say that’s a crazy thing to imply, to say that Biden should… that Charlie Kirk should have done that.
Todd: I’ve never done that on this program. That’s not the position that I take. But to say that he’s just calling for the open assassination of a president is not what that was. It’s not what that was at all. Some people would say that there’s a rhetorical emphasis — he’s underscoring the seriousness of what Biden was doing. He certainly wasn’t giving the mob a directive to go in to fulfill this on their own. That’s clear.
Todd: Now the people on the other side say, “Listen, man, Biden’s not guilty of treason.” First of all, they won’t even address that. They want to address the claim of treason because they want it to just sound like Charlie Kirk was calling for the death of Joe Biden. He was calling for the law, as he sees it, to be enforced. And if Biden is just abdicating his responsibility, and by doing that is causing harm and death to American citizens, then he thought that that was a justifiable conversation to have.
Todd: So the left would say there’s a risk of escalation. I certainly can agree — I can see that. Listen, I’m not here just to say that there’s no point ever on the left that doesn’t make sense. But to say that he was openly calling for the assassination of Biden is not what he was doing here. Some people would say this isn’t a good Christian witness. You can certainly have that opinion. But tell me — I’m not saying that it’s right or… I’m just saying — but what is this here?
Todd: What is it to say that believing that Biden should be held account for the damages suffered, for the lives that were lost? You look to Afghanistan as well. People died. People died because Biden was concerned about a political image. That’s what happened in Afghanistan. Lots of people died. We had — what was it — 15,000 people that were abandoned at one point? Some crazy, ridiculous number. So to say that this was high stakes, dereliction of duty is certainly an understatement, my friends.
Todd: But again, are you willing to say that that statement means because you agree with Charlie Kirk’s conservative philosophy, because you agree or actually think it’s bad that… you’re the deaths of people who are making cases? People have made cases. It goes back early into America. They used to have duels on the streets. I’m not condoning that. I’m just saying that there have been arguments about what constitutes treason. And it’s clear what the penalty is for true treason against your country. And that’s what Charlie Kirk thought.
Todd: I’m not saying that, again, that I agree. I’m simply saying that that is his position. And does that warrant people cheering for his death? You would think that if you were… I mean, you’re actually doing exactly — by cheering for his death, you’re doing exactly what you’re accusing him of being wrong for, what you think he was wrong in doing by saying that that should be the penalty legally under the law for a sitting commander in chief. And now you’re cheering for this?
Todd: So that’s probably the one — I would say that’s probably the thing that is the most likely to get footing with people. The comments about the gun deaths being worth it. He said — this is a quote again — “It’s worth it, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our God-given rights. That’s a prudent deal.” That’s what Charlie Kirk said.
Todd: And so some people say that by saying that, what he’s doing is justifying the murder of other people — especially in the case of these school shootings, innocent children. So… I just look at the clock. I’m up against the break. I’ve got to take a time out. We’ll address this, and I got two or three other ones here. I’ll get them as quickly as I can, my friends, on the other side of the break. But sit tight. You’re listening here to conservative, not bitter talk. I’m your host, Todd Huff. Back here in just a minute.
Todd: Welcome back, my friend. Third and final segment of today’s program. We’re just going through some of the ways, some of the allegations against Charlie Kirk that people have made that I guess they think justifies the celebration of his death and the making of the statement that says you can’t support Charlie Kirk and be a Christian or a follower of Jesus. We’ll get to that, continue going through that here in just a moment, my friends, case by case, some of these allegations.
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Todd: Limited time here. I wish I had more, but this is just what the format is. So people are upset about Charlie Kirk saying that the gun deaths are worth it. I think this is very grossly distorted. Charlie Kirk was not celebrating or excusing the death of any person by a firearm. What Charlie Kirk was doing here was saying — in order to have something in society, whatever that is — a firearm, vehicular travel, automobiles, medical care, food, whatever — it’s never a zero-risk game.
Todd: And we have to think about with the Second Amendment, to be able to protect ourselves, the right to keep and bear arms, protect ourselves from threats — be it anything from an individual who wants to cause us or our family immediate harm, or the government itself. That’s a very good role for a firearm: to deter that sort of violence and that sort of tyranny. And Charlie Kirk was saying, we can’t have a scenario where we have to say zero violence in order to have guns. That’s not the way anything else works.
Todd: I mean, by this logic, we wouldn’t have food. Solid food. People choke. We wouldn’t have hammers. People murder people with hammers. We wouldn’t have automobiles. People die. These are all tragic, by the way. These are all tragic circumstances, tragic events. That’s what he was trying to say. Maybe you disagree with that. But explain why you disagree with that. He wasn’t glorifying gun crime or violence with guns and murder and so forth and mass shootings. He was trying to communicate — maybe it should have been better, I don’t know — but he was trying to say that you can’t have an expectation of zero risk with anything that we have in society.
Todd: We couldn’t play sports. We couldn’t build buildings. We couldn’t have electricity if the objective was zero people who were harmed. Listen, I know that that sounds to some people callous, but that is a very… that’s just the reality of the circumstance. In this situation, we wouldn’t have air travel. We’re flying here in a couple of days. I mean, it’s very safe to do that. But again, you wouldn’t have these things if the expectation was zero risk.
Todd: He’s also taken flak for saying there’s no separation of church and state. He said this July 6, 2022: “There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication. It’s a fiction. It’s not in the Constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.” The phrase “separation of church and state” is not in the Constitution. There is a First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That’s what’s in the Constitution.
Todd: No one here is arguing for there to be a state church. No one’s arguing that there should be forced belief in God. But what’s actually happening here by saying separation of church and state is that the left has effectively kept Christians — in many cases, and we’ve played along, let’s not mince words here, we’ve gone along with this — we’ve gone along with this.
Todd: And instead… I mean, everybody has a religion. Something. Everybody worships something. Why should the only people who shouldn’t have a voice in our society be those who have a relationship with God? That makes no sense. And that’s really what’s underlying Charlie Kirk’s position here — that this is a lie, put up, this idea of complete separation of church and state. Again, we’re not arguing for a theocracy. We’re not arguing for a state church. We’re simply saying there’s no wall that keeps Christians from being in our government.
Todd: In fact, if you look back at how this nation was founded, these Christians were very deeply religious in how they lived and viewed their role in government.
Todd: He also made a comment here. I don’t have much time to get to this, so be graceful with me. But he said: “If I see a black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.” That was from a podcast in January 2024. And people want it to sound like, oh, he doesn’t think black people know how to pilot aircraft.
Todd: What he was saying — what he was trying to communicate — was this deeper problem with DEI, meaning if people are promoted and given opportunities and allowed to enroll and pass courses and become certified and get jobs doing something, and it is rooted in some degree or large degree based upon their ethnicity, their race, their gender, and so forth, he says, “I wonder how much of that is actually factoring into them being here.” That was the point.
Todd: There’s more to it. But I got to go. SDG.
