The Stack: When Narratives Collapse and Facts Catch Up
Narratives are powerful tools—especially when they’re fueled by emotion instead of facts. On today’s Toddcast, Todd breaks down the tragic Minneapolis ICE shooting and the media frenzy that followed, where activists, politicians, and journalists rushed to label the incident “murder” before the facts were fully known.
As bodycam footage and additional details emerge, that narrative begins to unravel. Todd explains why the legal definition of murder matters, how self-defense is evaluated, and why presumption of innocence is foundational to justice.
Drawing from Scripture, real courtroom experience, and recent history, he exposes how political agendas exploit tragedy to inflame outrage and undermine the rule of law. This episode is a call to slow down, reject emotional manipulation, and insist on truth—especially when lives, reputations, and justice itself hang in the balance.
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📝 Transcript: When Narratives Collapse and Facts Catch Up
The Todd Huff Show – January 12, 2025
Host: Todd Huff
Todd Huff: My friends, narratives are powerful things, and we're watching a narrative crumble. Narrative crumble in real time before our eyes. A narrative. That is designed. To persuade people or to emotionally charge a topic or discussion. So that people draw conclusions, make decisions that are in alignment with the position, the viewpoint, the politics of one side. And that's, of course, always the side of the radical left that I'm talking about, the narrative of the shooting, the tragic shooting. Where a young woman was shot by an ICE agent in Minneapolis last week. The media and the way they've been portraying this story has been effectively, and not just the media. Some of them are asking some questions, but the narrative generally is that the ICE agent did something he should not have done. In some cases, they're using the phrase murder. The term murder.
Todd Huff: AOC said it was a murder. Protesters say it was a murder. I've seen things on Facebook from people that I know who have said, come to this protest to speak out against the murder of this young woman in Minneapolis. And the more we learn about the facts and the details, the more that this narrative crumbles. And listen, it is tragic. Folks, this is absolutely tragic. This was a mother. She's young. Yes. She put herself in this position? Yes. She was an agitator. Yes.
Todd Huff: She at least, at least the evidence is pretty clear to me, she at least was obstructing an ICE operation. And she certainly accelerated her vehicle in the direction of an officer, and it struck him. I mean, there's no doubt about this now with the release of the latest video. By the way, last week I shared with you that this ICE agent had been hospitalized for being dragged by a car last summer. He required hospitalization. I think he had 23. I think it was 33 stitches from being dragged by a vehicle.
Todd Huff: So when you factor these things in and you combine that with the latest video, surely that should at least cause one to pause and think about the words being used to describe this officer and the operation and so forth. Because this is absolutely not murder. Now, you can still make the case, I suppose, that the officer should not have used deadly force. You could make that argument. But I think at best, at best one would look at this and certainly in a fair-minded situation, understand why he did it.
Todd Huff: I think that you're being struck by a car that's had the gas pedal pressed pretty firmly to the floorboard there. You were struck by a car. You have a history being injured by, in a similar circumstance where you were dragged by a car. A reasonable person could absolutely see someone, including themselves or other officers, being harmed or potentially killed by a vehicle behaving in that manner. And so you should at least, I think reasonable people could at least say that this put the officer in a very bad situation.
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Todd Huff: My friends, the word murder is now being used to describe, or has been for some time now, to describe what happened in Minneapolis regarding this event I've been talking about here this morning. Let's go back through the facts of what we do know. There was an ICE operation in Minneapolis. ICE is operating there. Let's not overlook this fact. ICE is operating there. And in other cities around the country because we have an administration, prior administration, and prior administrations plural, that basically ignored federal immigration law.
Todd Huff: They did not secure the border. They did not enforce deportations. I hear some people talking about, well, Obama had a lot of deportations. You realize that those deportations were not part of operations like this. In fact, the deportations under Obama were largely people who crossed the border and were being processed or whatever, and then were deported upon entry. These are not people, in the vast majority of cases, that were living in this country for years and decades.
Todd Huff: We're now living with an administration in charge of this country that is focused on enforcing the law. And so they were enforcing the law in Minneapolis. Now, that's another thing. You look at these cities around the country, by the way, this happens everywhere. And it's not just in big cities, though of course, proportionally, there are more people in those big cities. And so you have people who are here in this country illegally that have not been pursued, that have been allowed to do basically whatever they want, facing no legal consequences whatsoever, around this country for decades.
Todd Huff: And so there are large populations of people who are illegally in our country. So ICE has come in under the command and control of President Donald J. Trump. And he told us, he told us during the campaign he was going to be deporting people, starting with the criminal element, starting with the element of people who are violent. Drug dealers, gang members, people who are involved in child trafficking, other violent offenders, people that have been arrested multiple times. But not just that. It's never been said that it's just going to be that. That was the starting. That was the starting point. It may have been what some people wished and desired, but the fact remains that if you are in this country illegally, dare I say it, it is illegal. And that there are consequences for that.
Todd Huff: So ICE is conducting operations in Minneapolis and other cities around the country. And so they're conducting their legal operation, their operation to enforce the law. In Minneapolis, a young woman named Renee Good blocks the street with her vehicle. According to reports, and I think this appears to be substantiated from maybe some of the videos that are floating around out there now, she appears to block the street, impeding the advancement of ICE officers. The mission, the operation, was delayed by about three minutes. That's how long it appears that she was blocking traffic.
Todd Huff: There is now video. I guess it's the officer, his body cam, where he's engaged with two folks. One, of course, is Renee Good. The other is her partner. There's some back and forth between the partner and the ICE officer. Then there's commands given to Ms. Good. There's some words exchanged back and forth as the officer is clearing the front of her vehicle, or close to clearing it.
Todd Huff: She, I think she may back up first, turn the tires, and then hit the accelerator pretty intensely with him in front of it. He's basically in front of the driver's side tire, near the front corner of the vehicle, the front fender, if you will. And the vehicle clearly strikes him, especially from his body cam. You can hear the impact. You can hear his, you know, kind of just watch his body kind of bounce back to the side. And he decides to fire the weapon.
Todd Huff: And I've got this new video that's emerged later. Again, the vehicle certainly appears to me to make contact with the officer pretty clearly. The woman dies. And now there's narratives that form, narratives that form. And what happens is what happens every time the media, the left, the Democrat Party, these professional deceivers get a hold of something. They start talking about things in such a way to emotionalize a situation. It's obviously an emotional situation. It's terrible what happened.
Todd Huff: To this, well, the results of this are awful. Renee Good is no longer alive. She leaves behind at least one child. I think I've read three. And so she's portrayed in the media as just this peaceful, peaceful mother. The ICE officer has been cast as the aggressor. And many people believe, before there's any real investigation or details coming out about this at all, that he is automatically a murderer.
Todd Huff: And why? Why is he automatically a murderer? Well, he's automatically a murderer in the eyes of some people because ICE is illegitimate. ICE is trying to separate families, they say, is trying to basically be the Gestapo. You've heard politicians say this. And when politicians use this sort of language, it seems to, at least to some people, it seems to hit home a little harder as a real, legitimate problem and a real, legitimate assessment of the situation.
Todd Huff: The problem is that that is not what is going on here. But some people have had this perspective of ICE from the beginning, and this is, of course, all manufactured. It's all manufactured by the media, by the radical left, by the Democrat Party, because of politics. This is all manufactured because of politics. The left does not have a narrative upon which it can run.
Todd Huff: The left has mismanaged this country, or the cities that it's run, or whatever, for decades. Mismanaged it, or, you know, I wouldn't even always say mismanagement. There certainly are elements of mismanagement and fraud. And we look at what's happening in Minnesota regarding the fraud there that's been uncovered by, again, a citizen journalist, a YouTuber, not even people who are in the professional media. Which is not an insult to Nick Shirley, by the way. He's actually out there trying to do the real job that journalists once upon a time at least pretended to do. They've totally abdicated that responsibility today. And so this is what happens when one side is trying to gain political power. They will stop at nothing to do it.
Todd Huff: They have no good reason to tell voters to vote for them in these midterms coming up here later this year. And so they have to find a narrative. And what is the narrative? The narrative of choice for the left is that Donald Trump, bad orange man. Bad orange man has Gestapo. Orange man is a Nazi, a fascist. We must stop him. We must defend our democracy.
Todd Huff: These are our neighbors being taken away by people in masks and who are unnamed and are breaking the law, violating humanitarian laws and everything else, right? This is the narrative of the day. And so this motivates people. And listen, there are people, I don't expect people to have, well, I do at one level, they certainly should agree with me politically. But that's not, listen, they can have their own ideas and beliefs.
Todd Huff: But where it's crazy to me is when people begin to justify insanity to, in some cases, to justify pure evil and the way that ICE has been maligned and attacked. People believe that they're doing the right thing. People believe that they're modern-day Dietrich Bonhoeffers fighting against Hitler and the Nazis back in World War II Germany. Now, of course, these people don't even probably know who Dietrich Bonhoeffer is.
Todd Huff: But the bottom line is that that's who they believe they are. They believe that they're the heroes. They believe that the heroes are the ones who are harming ICE agents. And that, by the way, is factually incorrect. But when you say these stories long enough to, as Rush Limbaugh used to call them, the low-information crowd, or the people who are highly emotionalized, they're tired of losing. They're afraid.
Todd Huff: They're in constant fear because they believe this country is being led by a fascist dictator, that he's going to establish himself as the king of this country forever, or whatever they believe, which I don't even know anymore. These people have gotten so off the rails here. But it's easy to see how this perfect storm is forming, or has formed, in, say, Minnesota.
Todd Huff: And so the protest language has been hardened because it's already built into the equation. People have already made their minds up about ICE. If there is an incident like this, or this particular incident, people have come to the conclusion as to who's at fault before they even get the facts of the case. And so it's easy. It's easy and dare I say cheap for some of these journalists to do what they do, for some of these protesters, these professional agitators, to do what they do.
Todd Huff: They start making signs that call this ICE agent a murderer. They start organizing rallies against the so-called murderer. Social media posts start asserting this man, just automatically, unilaterally decrying this man, proclaiming this man a murderer. You have representatives in our government. I mentioned AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, publicly calls this event a, quote, murder. Calls for arrest and prosecution. We know this ICE agent now, his name is Jonathan Ross. He is basically now facing the full, I guess, assault of the radical left and the narrative.
Todd Huff: But you know what? Murder has a meaning. You know murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. This is fascinating to me, especially, I don't want to get down chasing a rabbit here. This is important stuff. But I've shared this story on here before. When I was in college, I shared with you that, well, first I went to Butler University here in Indianapolis.
Todd Huff: And believe it or not, some of you may not believe this, I was actually fairly quiet in my class. I would talk to my professors one-on-one. I have some really crazy stories about that. I've had a professor that wouldn't grade my opinion paper because I cited the Bible. I, of course, dealt with professors who were atheist and proud of it, openly challenging Christians, or in some cases, openly mocking and ridiculing the Christian faith.
Todd Huff: I had one professor, I won't say his name. It was a writing class. I should have known from the name of the writing class, but I was just naive. The name of the class, I kid you not, was called Creative Nonfiction. And at the time, I was in my, I don't know, 20 or 21 years old, I thought that what they were going to teach us to do was how to present nonfiction, right, true stories in a creative way.
Todd Huff: Not make them up, but actually think about the art of maybe storytelling so that you know how to present the facts of the case in a way that is easier to read and more, I don't know, just easier to understand. Just some tips on how to present it, not to change the facts. I was a young guy, you know, I was naive, whatever. But no, he literally meant creative nonfiction.
Todd Huff: So I remember him telling me in class one day, well, this story needs something else here. And I said, well, that's not what happened. Well, he said, but yeah, but go ahead and just make something up. And I said, but this is a nonfiction class. Well, yeah, it's creative nonfiction. Anyway, so that was the purpose of this.
Todd Huff: He stood up in class one day and he said in front of the class, Christianity, a good idea, and then, but it got all blanked up, is what he said. And I went to him after class and I said, Professor so-and-so, I want you to know that I'm a Christian. And if I would have stood up and said that about another faith, Channel 6 News would have been here and I would have been asked to leave campus.
Todd Huff: I mean, I don't know where you get off saying that. You could have that opinion, I suppose, but you're in a position of authority in this classroom. There are people in this class that are certainly Christians or believers or at least people who are respectful of the Christian faith. And here you are doing what? I've got so many stories, but I remember in college, this just took me down that road.
Todd Huff: In addition to going to Butler, I went to a program at American University. It was a pre-law program and we debated. And that course, in that class, it was me versus the class every single day. And I loved it. I really did. But I remember talking about things like murder. And I remember discussions about, you know, thou shalt not kill, right?
Todd Huff: We talk about capital punishment, for example. I was someone who, you hate to say, in favor of capital punishment, like I'm out there cheering for it. No, but I think capital punishment should absolutely be used to enforce the law. I think that people who commit the most heinous and violent of crimes should absolutely be subjected to the laws of capital punishment.
Todd Huff: And some people would get very upset with me, citing the book, the Ten Commandments in Exodus chapter 20, thou shalt not kill. By the way, the proper definition, the proper translation of that is thou shalt not murder. But even if you stick with the words thou shalt not kill, you literally, just flipping one chapter over, beginning in Exodus 21, and there's examples starting there.
Todd Huff: I don't know if it begins in 21 or 22, but in the next chapter or two, God tells Moses instances where someone should be put to death for a crime that he had committed. And it was always bizarre to me to think that people don't understand the definition of these things. Not all killing is murder. There's justifiable self-defense. Not all killing is murder. I'm not out there clamoring for more killing. I wish that there was less. I wish that the people who put people in positions to have to make those decisions would not do those things. But murder is the unlawful, the unjustified killing of another human being.
Todd Huff: This requires, typically, malice aforethought, as they say. This is hatred driven by hatred or dislike or rage or just to take the person out, basically get even with the person. Something along those lines, that's murder. And we'll talk more about that. I don't know how anyone can conclude this ICE agent is a murderer. But we'll get to that, my friends, in due course. If you're tired of spitting your hard-earned money at businesses that turn around and support leftist causes, I've got the thing for you. It's called Freedom Marketplace.
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Todd Huff: You have to call ICE murderers. You have to assume that he's guilty. And this is all part of the strategy and the, well, just the way that they think they have to manage the political discourse of the day in order to get the results that they want. And that's what we're going to pick up in a moment. My friends, want to talk here about, well, the definition of murder. And we talked about unlawful, unjustified killing of another person. That there's malice that's typically involved. This requires intent. This is absolutely reckless. Or there's at least extreme indifference about the life of the other person.
Todd Huff: This can be determined, by the way, only after an investigation thoroughly understands what's going on. And again, all we had were a couple of videos, which again, even to me, when I watched the videos for the first couple of times, to me, you can at least see, even from the original videos, that the officer, the ICE agent, was in a very bad position.
Todd Huff: And you can see without a doubt that the agent was in front of the car when she accelerated. And I would say without a doubt you could tell that he was struck by the front of the car. I think we made all those things known when we spoke about this last week. But when you see the video of his body cam, that's a different perspective. And I remember, I don't know how many of you, I don't want to go down this road either too much, but I served on a jury. I've talked about this on this program before. I served on a jury. It must have been in 2018, I think, in May, May of 2018.
Todd Huff: And the trial that I was a juror on involved the death of a little boy. Five-year-old little boy. And I don't want to get into the case. It's tragic. It's absolutely horrific. Basically, the boy had developmental problems. And the mother, the biological mother, had started seeing another boyfriend, not the biological father of the boy. And she, they basically were not happy with how much work it was to take care of this little boy. And he was an inconvenience to them. I'm just telling you from their perspective. This is terrible stuff. You could read the text messages. It's horrific. It really is.
Todd Huff: And they were talking. They were researching ways to basically kill the boy. I don't know how else to say it. It's awful. I don't even like going down this road. But I'm only pointing this out to say I've sat on a jury, I've listened to evidence, and it was clear. It was clear to me. Even the defense attorney admitted that the defendant, he said, look, you're going to read. This was the beginning of the trial. You're going to read texts that are going to show that my client said some terrible things, but my client's not on trial for being a bad guy. He's on trial for these specific charges.
Todd Huff: And the charges, believe it or not, it wasn't a murder trial, was a conspiracy trial. They were trying to prove that the biological mother and the boyfriend were conspiring to murder this young boy. We eventually convicted him. He faces 30-some years in prison. The mother was convicted as well. I was the last vote. I was the last, am I surprised? The last one. Because I wanted to make sure that it was, you know, that we basically considered every possibility because we were voting. We were voting to take away the freedom of this man, who was terrible, but he shouldn't have been in prison just because he was terrible.
Todd Huff: And the way that he talked about this boy, though, you can make the case that maybe there should be laws. I don't know. But the point is, I'm not arguing for that. I'm just saying he was clearly bad and there's lots of problems there. But he was on trial for a specific thing. And to come in with bias just because you don't like ICE or because you think ICE is what, killing people just arbitrarily on the streets, doesn't mean that should have nothing to do with this.
Todd Huff: You have to look at the facts of the case, and very few people do. And I immediately realized that, hey, if you put yourself in the position of that ICE agent, you can certainly understand what he might be thinking is about to happen. And you sit, you watch the latest video, the video that's most recently released, where there's body cam of him being struck by that car, and you see it up close and personal, and you hear the noise.
Todd Huff: And you put yourself in his shoes. And you think back to the time he was dragged by a car just, what, six, nine months ago, whatever it was, last summer, requiring hospitalization. He probably understood, in a way that none of us fully understand, that the power of a vehicle and the danger of a vehicle can pose. We all understand that, of course, just from having sense and logic. But to be someone who felt that directly, I'm sure your perspective changes a little bit. So to say that it was murder is beyond, is beyond ridiculous to me. You could, you can make the case that maybe he shouldn't have chosen to do that. I'm not saying that I agree with that. I'm just saying you can make that case. But to say murder is, to me, if you're in that crowd, you're not serious about analyzing this.
Todd Huff: You're not seriously engaged in reality. You're not trying to come to real solutions. You're not trying to put yourself in his shoes. If you say murder. Killing, by the way, again, is not murder. Can be, but it's not necessarily. Shooting is not necessarily murder. It can be. And just because someone died, and that's tragic, whatever the circumstances, it is absolutely tragic. This person was a daughter, a mother. Terrible. But that does not mean that someone should be legally guilty of murder.
Todd Huff: And we have people calling, and politicians calling this murder, calling him a murderer. Once that's declared publicly, this is a mess. Now you're beginning, and people start assuming that there's a cover-up, that the evidence is being tampered with. I mean, this is the way that it goes. The entire process is undermined when people act like this. If the murder, if murder is decided first, then what role is the justice system supposed to play?
Todd Huff: And it's a foregone conclusion. By the way, what happened to some of those key principles like the presumption of innocence and guilt being guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? No, there's no way. There is absolutely no way that anybody can come to that conclusion. Not fairly, my friends. We've also got a mayor in Minneapolis, Jacob Frey. It's spelled F-R-E-Y. He did not call the ICE agent a murderer or the crime a murder, but he did publicly condemn the shooting very strongly.
Todd Huff: He says that the self-defense narrative is garbage. He says they killed somebody, referring to ICE. He's out there demanding that ICE leave the city of Minneapolis.Again, he didn't formally use the term murder. But if you take away the self-defense narrative, you're left with something that obviously may not be first-degree murder, but you're left with some sort of a murder or, I don't know, manslaughter charges.
Todd Huff: Things that are not things that are viewed, at least from a perspective that the person who pulled the trigger is guilty of a crime. If you take away the self-defense component. So that's what's going on here, my friends.And I want to talk, I want to talk about in the final segment. There's a verse in the Bible, Proverbs 18:17, that says the one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him. We don't leave time for that, what we do here. But society doesn't, at large, my friends.So we're going to wrap up this segment. And we'll talk about that in the next. Friends, there's a lot of confusion out there about kratom. You've probably heard the headlines. Most of those are based on synthetic junk that is not even real kratom at all.
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Todd Huff: I, before the break, I shared a verse in the Bible, Proverbs 18:17. The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him. My, oh, my. In today's world, where there are headlines and it's all superficialities and there are emotions that are baked into the equation. When there is hatred, hatred that is justified by people out there today.
Todd Huff: When you hear the story first, when you hear the case explained by one party that's involved in the situation, and it sounds, might sound bad, it might sound like a slam dunk case for them and against their opponents. But then the other side comes along and examines him or presents their own evidence. Right? In a court case, there's a cross-examination of witnesses. There's this thing called discovery in the early phases of a trial where evidence is presented.
Todd Huff: Evidence presented by the prosecutor to the defense. And then the defense gets a chance to explain what that evidence is, how that evidence really doesn't implicate them or have anything to do with the case. At first, it can sound very damning to the person on the other side because you just heard one side of the story. And that's where a lot of people stop. That's why a lot of people stop.
Todd Huff: Friends, I listen. I listen to, I read. I read things that are from people that I think are lunatics. I consume information now. I always have a filter up. Maybe that's, maybe that's a required first step. You have to have a filter. You can't just, if you hear it, you just can't automatically believe it. You ought to be able to read it, to consider it, to understand the perspective, the motivations of the person writing it or sharing it or whatever.
Todd Huff: And then decide, am I going to give this 1% credibility, 99% credibility, somewhere in between, what am I going to do? But the first narrative has the advantage for a lot of people. That's, that's, there's warnings even throughout scripture about haste. This is, this is one of them. But we shouldn't be hasty. I've said on this program before, I am more interested, I'm more interested in getting the right opinion or thoughts about a topic, issue, subject, whatever, something that happened, than I am about being first.
Todd Huff: Most people are so enamored with being first. And it's really, to me, it's childish, especially doing what I do. Listen, I get if you're, I'm not a journalist. I get if you're a journalist and you want to break news. I am not ever, I can't imagine a scenario where I would quote-unquote break news. It would have to be super personal to me or just a series of events where the person would come to me to share their story or something.
Todd Huff: And I suppose that could happen, but that's not really what I do. What we try to do here is to try to bring calm and reason and fairness and objectivity to the table. To talk about the issues of the day, to understand that our side is not always 100% right. Even if you think the ideas are 100% right, the people who are sharing our ideas are not always right. We're not always perfect people. This should go without saying. So being the first to do something does very, very little for me. Then you've got the fact that this can be amplified in ways that it's never been allowed or been able, I should say, to amplify before. Things like social media and just the 24-hour news cycle and everything else.
Todd Huff: And then you've got the virtue signaling crowd that wants to be the first to say that ICE was a murderer so that they can say, see, I led the movement. I started the protest. I led the thing that led to the thing that led to the political victory for the Democrats or whatever that is. A big thing, a big motivation here. People have given up caring about the truth. They care more about their narratives. They care more about their politics. Not everybody, but that's certainly out there.
Todd Huff: The law, in many instances, has been reduced to pure symbolism. Calling someone a murderer in this case can be seen as a virtue signal somehow amongst the radical folks who are not the least bit concerned about truth and the future of this ICE officer and everything else. Process itself can be framed as obstruction. Lots of things, my friends, can be going on here. But I'm out of time today. Let me tell you here in the closing, if you haven't signed up for our free daily newsletter, why don't you do that? It's totally free. https://toddhuffshow.com. Just sign up for the Inner Circle. We talk about these things there as well.
Todd Huff: But I gotta go. SDG.
