The Stack: Indiana Senate Rebukes Trump on Redistricting
Indiana Lt. Gov. Micah Beckwith joins Todd Huff for a candid post‑mortem on the Indiana Senate’s rejection of Trump‑backed redistricting. The 31–19 vote exposed a deep rift inside the state GOP, with leadership decisions, backroom pressure, and a failure to read the political moment all taking center stage. Beckwith argues the issue isn’t simply conservatism versus moderation, but whether elected officials understand the stakes of the current battle and are willing to fight.
The conversation also examines reports of coordination with Democrats in Maryland, the role of former Gov. Mitch Daniels, and why grassroots conservatives felt blindsided. While the short‑term consequences may hurt national efforts, Beckwith sees a silver lining: a wide‑open 2026 primary season where America First candidates can reshape the Indiana Senate. The message is clear—accountability doesn’t end on Election Day, and Hoosier conservatives are preparing for the next round.
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Indiana Republicans reject effort to redraw voting maps in rebuke to Trump
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📝 Transcript: Indiana Senate Rebukes Trump on Redistricting
The Todd Huff Show – December 15, 2025
Host: Todd Huff
Special Guest: Micah Beckwith
Todd Huff: All right, my friends, I hope you had a wonderful weekend. It is good to be back and at it here on this Monday morning. Here we are, just ten days—it’s hard to believe—ten days before Christmas. A couple of weeks here before New Year’s Day. What a crazy, crazy time of year.
Todd Huff: Wonderful time of year, but of course what happened here in my state on Friday was not so wonderful, as Indiana voted against redistricting. And today I’m bringing back on the program Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith.
Todd Huff: He, of course, filled in as a guest host on this program for quite some time. The lieutenant governor here in the great state of Indiana. We’ll bring him on in just a moment, my friends, to talk about the fallout, put the pieces together, what was going on behind the scenes, all that sort of stuff is what we’re going to get into today.
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Todd Huff: So with that being said, I want to bring our friend onto the program, Micah Beckwith again, lieutenant governor of the great state of Indiana. Micah, welcome to the program, sir. How are you?
Micah Beckwith: Good, Todd. Thanks for having me. And I forgot that I filled in a bunch of times for you, I guess.
Todd Huff: The moral of the story is if you want to be lieutenant governor, fill in on Todd Huff, because it gives you name ID all over the place.
Micah Beckwith: There you go. That’s something that should be—you should not forget, Micah. But it was a pleasure.
Todd Huff: We met first through, I think, Senator John Crane here in Indiana. So yeah, it’s been a while, and I appreciate what you’re doing.
Micah Beckwith: Well, it was always fun, man. Looking back on it now, as you said that, I was like, oh yeah, that’s right. And I love your show, man. You’ve got great listeners, great audience. And anytime you needed another fill-in, just keep me in mind. I’d be always happy to do it.
Todd Huff: Well, you forgot the most important thing—a great host here as well, Micah. But anyway, in all seriousness here.
Micah Beckwith: Come on. Great listeners—that’s also—you’re a great host too, I know.
Todd Huff: Let’s talk redistricting here. So Friday, when I was doing this program—let’s see, on Thursday—I expected, I thought it was going to be close. I thought it might be one or two short.
Todd Huff: It turns out that the final vote was, what, 31 to 19? And I know that that’s a split that includes the Democrats, all ten of those. But Republicans lost 31 to 19.
Todd Huff: Is that surprising to you? Is that what you expected? I mean, talk about that with me—just what that vote means in your estimation.
Micah Beckwith: Well, going into the week, Monday and Tuesday, we started hearing that the Senate Pro Tem Rod Bray was really whipping votes to fight against President Trump.
Micah Beckwith: Mitch Daniels was also doing that, our former governor, which I don’t know why he’s involving himself back into politics. He’s writing books. He should just kind of do what the respectful thing that most governors do is—sort of ride off into the sunset and pass the torch.
Micah Beckwith: Let the people of Indiana choose new leaders. But he’s not doing that. He’s involving himself. He even put out a piece in Politico saying that they asked him about why he didn’t run against Jim Banks for U.S. Senate.
Micah Beckwith: They asked, were you afraid you were going to lose? And he said, “Oh, I would have beat Jim Banks, no problem.” It was just this really sort of arrogant statement where it’s like, oh my gosh, what is he doing?
Micah Beckwith: But between Mitch Daniels, Rod Bray—we’re hearing now that Rod Bray was making deals with the Democrat pro tem from Maryland, even the guy who was the author of the constitutional abortion amendment out in Maryland.
Micah Beckwith: We’re just saying, what is happening to our Senate Republicans? Why are they working so hard to defeat Donald Trump and the America First movement? It’s just mind-blowing.
Micah Beckwith: And to your point earlier, it was 31–19. It seemed like a bigger margin, but really, if you think about it, it was 21 Republicans versus 19 Republicans.
Micah Beckwith: Twenty-one said we don’t want to support President Trump. Nineteen said we should support President Trump. And then it was the Democrat super-minority that really made the difference.
Micah Beckwith: And so the super-minority really is the one that’s controlling the ship right now. So that’s kind of where we’re at.
Micah Beckwith: Again, I thought we would probably lose, like you said. Thirty-one was a little bit more than I expected. I thought it was going to be 27 or 28.
Micah Beckwith: But the bigger picture is why are Indiana senators so against the America First movement? And that needs to be the question all Hoosiers ask themselves.
Todd Huff: Well, to me it exposes a bigger rift, which is something that you’ve known and I’ve known and our listeners have known for some time. There’s a major rift in the Republican Party, especially in Indiana.
Todd Huff: Indiana, as you know, is very, very red, but not—it’s not all conservative Republicans. There’s a lot of what Rush Limbaugh would have called country club Republicans or RINO Republicans or moderate Republicans, or whatever the case may be.
Todd Huff: So are there more of those folks than we realized? Were they afraid of what Senator Bray would do to, I don’t know, their leadership positions or their seats on committees or things like that? Or what fueled the movement?
Todd Huff: Is this really the percentage of conservative Republicans versus RINO or moderate Republicans in the Indiana State Senate?
Micah Beckwith: Well, it comes down to leadership. If you look at the House Speaker, Todd Huston did a great job leading his caucus through the redistricting.
Micah Beckwith: If you talk to House members, they’re very grateful for his leadership because he, through boldness, protected them.
Micah Beckwith: You’re not seeing people in the House taking arrows from the national media or anything like that. This is just a good reminder that weak men create really bad times.
Micah Beckwith: And you saw weak leadership in the Senate that didn’t want to come out. They didn’t want to be bold. You very rarely heard Rod Bray come out and say, “We’re going to fight this tooth and nail. It’s the right thing to fight it. Torpedoes be damned. We’re standing up.”
Micah Beckwith: He was doing everything behind closed doors, and that was super shady. And that’s why he’s taken a lot of heat. That’s why his members are taking a lot of heat right now.
Micah Beckwith: So the national arrows that are coming at these guys—they frankly deserve them because they have a weak leader.
Micah Beckwith: And so whereas Speaker Huston protected his caucus, and to your point about country club Republicans or RINOs versus conservatives, I think there’s two groups of people in that 21 that I’ve seen.
Micah Beckwith: So there are some senators like—I'll think of Linda Rogers, right? She’s from Elkhart. She’s a conservative. I mean, she’s a sweet lady. She’s very conservative in principle. She does a lot of good things.
Micah Beckwith: So she’s not a country club Republican. But I started thinking, why did she vote with the 21 no votes? And it hit me.
Micah Beckwith: There are two types of Republicans right now. There are conservatives, there are RINOs, but then there’s also a group of Republicans that may be conservative, but they don’t understand the times that we’re living in.
Micah Beckwith: They can’t read the room. They don’t know the battle we’re in. They think that it’s just Tip O’Neill Democrats that we’re fighting against.
Micah Beckwith: This is not Tip O’Neill’s party anymore. This is a radical Marxist ideological party that is keen on destroying the American way of life.
Micah Beckwith: And I think for the Linda Rogers or maybe the Jim Bucks or some of these other quote-unquote conservative senators, what I’m realizing is they don’t know what time it is in America.
Micah Beckwith: And so for that, it’s kind of like what the Bible says about the spirit of the sons of Issachar, right? They were men who understood the times, and they knew then what they should do.
Micah Beckwith: That’s a really important concept. In order to be effective, you’ve got to understand the time. So it’s not just okay to be conservative. You have to know the battle we’re in.
Micah Beckwith: And I think for a lot of these Republicans in the Senate, they just don’t know what time it is in America.
Micah Beckwith: And Donald Trump is saying, guys, wake up, look around, read the room. And they’re not doing it.
Micah Beckwith: And for that, they’re going to be removed. For that, they’re going to be primaried, because we can’t just have conservatives in those offices.
Micah Beckwith: We need conservatives who know what time it is in America and who are willing to fight.
Todd Huff: We’ve talked about that on here as well. To your point, this is not John F. Kennedy’s Democrat Party anymore.
Todd Huff: This is a much different Democrat Party who has proven time and time again that they will do whatever they—well, I call it the Seinfeld Newman strategy—whatever it takes, as long as it takes them, so long as it takes Trump out of the White House or at least prevents his agenda from being implemented in this country.
Todd Huff: And that literally means anything. And to your point, we are in a critical time when people have to stand up and fight, and we have to understand what we’re up against.
Todd Huff: And there are people out there that still don’t know it because the rank-and-file voter in Indiana—I was raised in a union Democrat home. I wasn’t around radicals.
Todd Huff: These are people who loved America and just sided with Democrats because they were protecting the union and that sort of thing.
Todd Huff: That is not what we have today on the national level, Micah, and it’s not what we have in some circles in Indiana either.
Todd Huff: And I don’t think people are awakened to that or realize that as much as they should be, and that may be even our state senators.
Todd Huff: Tell me a little bit more about Mitch Daniels here. I didn’t know that. There are reports that he was whipping votes and putting pressure on senators to go against Donald Trump and fight against redistricting.
Todd Huff: And I think maybe sometimes these guys are kind of playing from a perspective of principle to say, well, we don’t do this in Indiana. I don’t think that’s the reason that Mitch Daniels got involved.
Todd Huff: I think Mitch Daniels got involved because I frankly don’t think they like Donald Trump.
Micah Beckwith: I agree with you. I think there is a lot of the Indiana establishment guard that really hates Donald Trump.
Micah Beckwith: They hate his style. They hate the mean tweets. They hate the fact that he is not a Mitt Romney Republican.
Micah Beckwith: He’s not the elite ruling class Paul Ryan type. I think this was a little bit vindictive, personally.
Micah Beckwith: I think there was a lot of “we can stick it to Donald Trump and show him that Indiana really isn’t on his team.”
Micah Beckwith: When really, you and I know when we’re out talking to people all over Indiana, we are very much a Trump state.
Micah Beckwith: This is Trump country. I mean, this is a Trump state. We are grateful for President Trump.
Micah Beckwith: I put out a scathing social media post calling out the disloyalty of the Indiana Republican Senate to Donald Trump.
Micah Beckwith: I mean, this guy—if you think about it—this guy has fought harder for Christian conservative principles, and he’s not even really a Christian conservative.
Micah Beckwith: Donald Trump is not a Christian conservative, which is a crazy thing.
Micah Beckwith: He’s fought harder and done more for Christian conservative values in America than even Ronald Reagan or Mike Pence or insert any other Christian conservative.
Micah Beckwith: And I think our response to that should be, thank you.
Micah Beckwith: Again, I’m sorry to bring up Scripture, but that’s just where my mind goes.
Micah Beckwith: It’s kind of like Nehemiah and Cyrus. Cyrus was not a godly king, but he blessed Nehemiah and the people of God.
Micah Beckwith: And he did more to protect them and to bless them than any kings—even the Israel kings—going back through their generations.
Micah Beckwith: And so you don’t repay that type of blessing and that type of fight with disloyalty.
Micah Beckwith: You say, hey, thank you.
Micah Beckwith: Here’s the thing. People were saying to me, “Well, we need to do the right thing.”
Micah Beckwith: Listen, redistricting mid-cycle and gerrymandering—it’s not unbiblical. It’s not unconstitutional. And it’s not even unethical.
Micah Beckwith: It’s just untraditional.
Micah Beckwith: And for you to say that we are going to kind of tell President Trump to go pound sand over something that’s just untraditional—to me, that is a huge slap in the face.
Micah Beckwith: And that’s the pinnacle of this disloyalty.
Micah Beckwith: And so I put out this post: Donald Trump’s taking a bullet for us.
Micah Beckwith: He’s been the victim of lawfare. I mean, his business has gone through the wringer.
Micah Beckwith: His children have been vilified.
Micah Beckwith: I mean, this guy has literally put his life, his family, and his business on the line for America.
Micah Beckwith: And not just America, but Christian conservative values that he’s fighting for.
Micah Beckwith: I’m saying, what are we doing in Indiana?
Micah Beckwith: Like, we don’t repay this type of good with evil. We don’t repay good with evil.
Micah Beckwith: What are you doing?
Micah Beckwith: Give this guy what he’s asking for.
Micah Beckwith: If you can’t say it’s unbiblical, unconstitutional, or unethical, then he’s in that seat for a reason.
Micah Beckwith: We follow him.
Todd Huff: That’s right. And never—I know you mean this tongue in cheek—but you never have to apologize for using Scripture on here. I like it.
Todd Huff: So what do we do from here, I guess?
Todd Huff: What are the lessons? What do we now know about Rod Bray as well?
Todd Huff: He’s my state senator. I’m in his district.
Todd Huff: He never—Micah, I went to his office at the Statehouse.
Todd Huff: I called and left voicemails. I sent him emails.
Todd Huff: I mean, I thought about carrier pigeons and everything else.
Todd Huff: I couldn’t get the guy to respond to me.
Todd Huff: This, to me, more than anything—whatever his stance was on the issue—just the transparency here and the process by which this was done.
Todd Huff: If all these reports are true, making this deal and let’s talk a little bit about that too, this deal with Maryland and so forth that’s being reported.
Todd Huff: What do we make of all this? What happens next?
Todd Huff: What did we learn? How do we move forward?
Todd Huff: How do we continue to fight for conservative values here in Indiana?
Micah Beckwith: Well, there’s a silver lining in all of this, but I want to go back to your earlier point that you tried to reach out to Rod Bray and he didn’t get back to you.
Micah Beckwith: Well, join the club. I tried to reach out to Rod Bray and he didn’t get back to me.
Micah Beckwith: And I’m the sitting lieutenant governor and the president of the Senate. That tells you something, right?
Micah Beckwith: Like, I was trying to connect with Rod. I didn’t want—listen, I’m not celebrating the fact that Rod Bray is being the punching bag of America right now.
Micah Beckwith: I don’t like seeing our own Republican Senate pro tem going through what he’s going through.
Micah Beckwith: It doesn’t bring me any joy to see the Republican Party getting ripped apart in Indiana like this.
Micah Beckwith: And so I was trying to reach out and say, “Is there anything we can do to kind of salvage this?”
Micah Beckwith: He never returned my call. I left a message, never returned my call.
Micah Beckwith: And it just tells me—it’s like, I’m not just your average Joe. I’m the president of the Senate that you serve in.
Micah Beckwith: And when you don’t respond to me—somebody that’s supposed to be on your team—that’s a huge slap in the face to, I think, the people who put me there to do that.
Micah Beckwith: So you’re not alone. Just so you know, he wasn’t responding to you. He also wasn’t responding to me.
Micah Beckwith: I doubt he was even responding to the governor. I think this was personal.
Micah Beckwith: I think it got personal for him.
Micah Beckwith: I think he just was like, “I’m going to show these guys.”
Micah Beckwith: And it shouldn’t be that way.
Micah Beckwith: Anyway, all that to say, what do we do now?
Micah Beckwith: Well, now we get to have a really fun primary season.
Micah Beckwith: And I have a meeting with the governor’s team today about candidates that we’re looking at.
Micah Beckwith: We’re going to be circling candidates and trying to really coalesce the massive amount of resources that the Trump team is going to put in.
Micah Beckwith: In some cases, they’re going to be putting eight figures into a PAC—that’s what I’ve heard—in Indiana.
Micah Beckwith: And they’re going to be supporting these really good America First Senate candidates that are going to be primarying.
Micah Beckwith: We’ve got about eleven seats that we’re looking at this cycle here in ’26.
Micah Beckwith: So there’s eleven seats that are either going to a senator that voted against redistricting or an open seat.
Micah Beckwith: And so if we can change six, seven—put six or seven or eight of those America First candidates in there—you’re going to have a whole different Senate.
Micah Beckwith: You’ll have different leadership next year. You’ll have a great conservative setup.
Micah Beckwith: So the silver lining in this is that Indiana can actually fix something that you and I have both known has been a problem for a long time.
Micah Beckwith: And that’s been the Indiana Senate.
Micah Beckwith: But I’m still not happy about that because it’s going to hurt America.
Micah Beckwith: We didn’t do our job in redistricting.
Micah Beckwith: We let the country down as a state.
Micah Beckwith: While it might get better in Indiana in the next few years because of all of this, we’re going to have to apologize to our nation for letting our nation down.
Micah Beckwith: And that really breaks my heart.
Todd Huff: Well, let me tell you, however I can sign up to support those efforts, sign me up.
Todd Huff: I’ve already been in contact with the folks, of course, at Turning Point Action, and I know they’re doing some stuff as well.
Todd Huff: Whatever we can do—and listeners, by the way, if you’re listening and want to be a part of this, just send me an email.
Todd Huff: Todd@toddfshow.com. Put “Indiana” in the title or something like that.
Todd Huff: And we’ll get you into a group here where we can plug you into how you can help.
Todd Huff: This is something I think we need help on at all levels, including the grassroots level.
Todd Huff: So I’m on board, Micah. Whatever I can do to help, these folks have to be held accountable.
Todd Huff: So tell the folks a little bit, from what you understand, about the deal that was negotiated between Maryland and Indiana—between Rod Bray and the Senate president in the state of Maryland as well.
Micah Beckwith: Well, I first heard about it from Senator Mike Young. Mike Young—he’s a great senator from Hendricks County, Avon area.
Micah Beckwith: The guy is just smarter than smart, and he’s very conservative, and he’s a fighter.
Micah Beckwith: He removed himself from the caucus a few years ago over a lot of disagreements with Rod Bray.
Micah Beckwith: So he’s principled. I mean, he’s taking a lot of heat for it.
Micah Beckwith: But he’s kind of one of the guys I look to in the Senate and say, man, this guy is worth following because he doesn’t back down.
Micah Beckwith: And so he posted about it on social media. That’s where I heard about it.
Micah Beckwith: He said that there was a deal that was done between the pro tem of Maryland—I think his last name was Ferguson—and he’s the guy who authored the constitutional amendment for abortion.
Micah Beckwith: So codified abortion in Maryland.
Micah Beckwith: The deal was between Rod Bray and this Democrat pro tem from Maryland that they wouldn’t redistrict if Indiana didn’t redistrict.
Micah Beckwith: And so it was basically this deal with the devil, essentially, to say, hey, if you guys screw Trump over, then we’ll do our part in not redistrict as well.
Micah Beckwith: Mike Young—and I have to go back and look at these numbers, I don’t know if these are true—but the way Mike Young said it in his post was that we could have gained some Republican seats even in Maryland.
Micah Beckwith: Now, I have to go back and verify that, but to me, I look at that and it’s like there’s a loss of about five to six Republican seats in Congress if that’s the case.
Micah Beckwith: That’s absolutely borderline treason to the American way of life when you think about it.
Micah Beckwith: The Marxist left want to destroy America, and here you had a chance as Indiana to stand up and put up a wall and say, hey, we’re not going to allow for this to happen.
Micah Beckwith: So that’s what’s going on.
Micah Beckwith: And by the way, when Rod Bray’s comms director was asked about this, she did verify that they were in talks.
Micah Beckwith: So she said that they were exchanging notes was the exact phrase.
Micah Beckwith: They didn’t say, no, this is not true. We wouldn’t do that.
Micah Beckwith: They didn’t say, we’re not working with a Democrat state.
Micah Beckwith: We’re not colluding with the Democrats in Maryland to stick it to Trump.
Micah Beckwith: She actually confirmed that they were talking.
Micah Beckwith: To me, it’s egregious.
Micah Beckwith: Again, go back to Donald Trump has done so much to defend Hoosier values in Washington.
Micah Beckwith: Whether it’s single-handedly overturning Roe—we are a very pro-life state.
Micah Beckwith: I mean, Donald Trump—if it wasn’t for Donald Trump, we’d still have abortion nationally.
Micah Beckwith: We wouldn’t have the outlawed abortion ban in Indiana.
Micah Beckwith: He secured our borders.
Micah Beckwith: He’s pushed back against China.
Micah Beckwith: He’s gotten the woke crap out of the military.
Micah Beckwith: He’s gotten the woke crap out of the agencies and DEI out of federal agencies.
Micah Beckwith: I mean, all of this stuff that we believe in Indiana is paramount to good governance.
Micah Beckwith: Donald Trump has done that.
Micah Beckwith: And we repay him by colluding with the Democrats in Maryland to go against him?
Micah Beckwith: To me, that’s just egregious, and that has to be held accountable.
Todd Huff: It absolutely does need to be held accountable.
Todd Huff: I’m on with my lieutenant governor, Micah Beckwith, here in Indiana, kind of sifting through the ashes of this redistricting vote from late last week here in the state of Indiana.
Todd Huff: I just don’t understand the rationale, I guess, of even making a deal.
Todd Huff: I guess the thinking is that he was so fundamentally against this idea of redistricting in Indiana that he thought he was doing the Republicans a favor by trying to cut off any potential redistricting in a blue state that may have netted or yielded Democrat seats.
Todd Huff: Which it sounds like that’s even in question.
Todd Huff: I don’t understand the strategy, Micah.
Todd Huff: What am I missing?
Micah Beckwith: I don’t know. That’s a great question.
Micah Beckwith: If Rod Bray would come out and clarify that, it might be to say—well, if he thought—and by the way, you’re one of his constituents. You live in his district, right?
Micah Beckwith: I just want to highlight what you said. He wouldn’t get back to somebody in his district even.
Micah Beckwith: And I think that’s the problem. I don’t know what he’s thinking.
Micah Beckwith: And I don’t know why in the world he would do this.
Micah Beckwith: Maybe if I’m thinking, okay—where’s the “believe the best” about somebody—if I’m just going to believe the best about Rod Bray.
Micah Beckwith: Maybe he’s thinking, if I can stop Maryland from redistricting because maybe there’s some principle that he believes that we really shouldn’t redistrict mid-cycle.
Micah Beckwith: And this is a really bad precedent to set, even though every other state around us is doing it.
Micah Beckwith: Maybe he’s saying, well, this could maybe just be our way to say I’m principled alone.
Micah Beckwith: But you know what’s going to happen?
Micah Beckwith: I will predict that Maryland will screw us and redistrict anyway.
Micah Beckwith: And it would not be surprising if we see in a few weeks or a couple of months Maryland is going through the redistricting process to get rid of more Republican representatives out there.
Micah Beckwith: Listen, this is not something that’s new, right?
Micah Beckwith: I go back—I think we are living in the time of Neville Chamberlain and Winston Churchill.
Micah Beckwith: Neville Chamberlain—if you remember—the whole thing that really him and Churchill disagreed on was can you make peace with Hitler?
Micah Beckwith: Can you make peace with evil?
Micah Beckwith: Can you pet a demon or pacify a demon and a demon will leave you alone?
Micah Beckwith: And Neville Chamberlain thought you could.
Micah Beckwith: And he said, “We’re going to go make peace. Peace in our time.”
Micah Beckwith: 1938, the Munich Accords.
Micah Beckwith: And he gets back from Munich and he holds up this piece of paper—a treaty.
Micah Beckwith: And he says, “We have peace for our time,” right?
Micah Beckwith: And Winston Churchill famously said, “We had the choice between dishonor or war. And today we chose dishonor, and we will have war.”
Micah Beckwith: And he’s basically saying, guys, you can’t negotiate with people who are not coming in good faith.
Micah Beckwith: And I feel like that’s the case with Maryland and the Democrats in Indiana right now.
Micah Beckwith: They’re not coming at us with good faith.
Micah Beckwith: They hate Donald Trump with a passion.
Micah Beckwith: They hate American greatness with a passion.
Micah Beckwith: They want to destroy and undermine Americanism and the exceptionalism that makes America great.
Micah Beckwith: You cannot negotiate in good faith with people who just fundamentally hate you.
Micah Beckwith: And they hate everything that makes you you.
Micah Beckwith: And they hate America.
Micah Beckwith: Look at Mamdani in New York if you don’t believe me.
Micah Beckwith: That is the Democrat Party of 2025.
Micah Beckwith: It’s the Mamdani party.
Micah Beckwith: That’s what it is.
Micah Beckwith: And he’s a communist.
Micah Beckwith: He’s a radical Islamist.
Micah Beckwith: He fundamentally hates American values.
Micah Beckwith: And that’s who we’re trying to make a deal with.
Micah Beckwith: And it doesn’t work.
Micah Beckwith: And we saw even in the peace treaty with Neville Chamberlain and Hitler—a few years later, Hitler was bombing London.
Micah Beckwith: And everyone’s thinking, wow, what happened to that peace treaty paper that we thought—
Micah Beckwith: Yeah.
Micah Beckwith: Again, it just goes to show you that you just can’t deal with people who aren’t acting in good faith.
Micah Beckwith: They’re not actually in good faith.
Micah Beckwith: They’re coming at you from every direction to win.
Micah Beckwith: And that’s what Chris Garten, Liz Brown, Tyler Johnson—they got up at the Senate last Thursday and they said that.
Micah Beckwith: Mike Gaskill said the same thing.
Micah Beckwith: This other side—the Democrats—they are playing to win.
Micah Beckwith: We are playing to just slow a decline into destruction.
Micah Beckwith: That’s the difference.
Micah Beckwith: And he said we have to start playing to win.
Micah Beckwith: And that’s the difference between Republicans and Democrats.
Micah Beckwith: In the Indiana Senate, the Democrats play to win.
Micah Beckwith: The Republicans just play to lose slowly.
Todd Huff: Well, we’re in the middle—and I talk about—I remember, Micah, all these years ago when I was out on the horse farm getting introduced to Rush Limbaugh, twenty-five plus years ago.
Todd Huff: And I remember—I share this with our listeners—I remember some of the things that were kind of hard lessons for me listening to him.
Todd Huff: And I remember him saying—and I didn’t want to believe it—I didn’t want to believe that there were people in our nation’s government that hated this nation as it was founded.
Todd Huff: And it was a tough pill for me to swallow.
Todd Huff: I mean, I’m a kid from small-town Indiana.
Todd Huff: We would raise the flag in the morning before school and lower it and fold it up and all that.
Todd Huff: And I love my country, and I couldn’t come to grips with the idea that people fundamentally hate this place.
Todd Huff: It’s bizarre to me.
Todd Huff: It’s bonkers to me to think about, but that’s what we’ve got.
Todd Huff: And we’re in the midst of a cold civil war, and it’s heated up, as you know, with some gunshots, bullets flying through the air, as we know, in recent years and months here.
Todd Huff: But I don’t think many Republicans, to your point, know what we are up against.
Todd Huff: One side has to win, Micah.
Todd Huff: You can’t compromise with people who want complete tyranny and totalitarian control.
Todd Huff: What do you give them—half of that?
Todd Huff: There’s no compromise.
Todd Huff: They have to be politically defeated.
Todd Huff: And we had an opportunity here to do that last week, and we chose not to.
Todd Huff: And they owe us a heck of an explanation.
Todd Huff: Let me ask you this.
Todd Huff: Have you seen any polling?
Todd Huff: I know for state issues it’s a lot harder to find polling.
Todd Huff: I’ve seen some numbers out there.
Todd Huff: I know Senator Young has put some stuff out there.
Todd Huff: I don’t know if it’s true or not, but showing like seventy-three percent of Republicans in Indiana wanted redistricting.
Todd Huff: Have you seen anything like that?
Todd Huff: Is that something that we can trust?
Todd Huff: What do you know about that?
Micah Beckwith: Yeah.
Micah Beckwith: So the seventy-three number—that was something I saw put out, I think, on Friday after the vote failed.
Micah Beckwith: And sometimes Republicans are a little late to the game, just in general—like the average grassroots Republican.
Micah Beckwith: I think a lot of them thought—as I’m talking to them on Friday and my phone was blowing up on Friday—what the heck happened?
Micah Beckwith: We thought we just had this in the bag.
Micah Beckwith: We didn’t know our Republican Senate was this bad.
Micah Beckwith: We would have gotten more involved.
Micah Beckwith: That was kind of their mindset.
Micah Beckwith: If we would have known that these Republican senators sucked this bad, we would have done more.
Micah Beckwith: We just thought we voted for the right guy or the right gal.
Micah Beckwith: We sent them down there.
Micah Beckwith: They were obviously going to do the pro-America thing.
Micah Beckwith: But we realized, oh shoot.
Micah Beckwith: So they were a little bit late to the game, which oftentimes happens.
Micah Beckwith: And so yes, I think the seventy percent number is accurate.
Micah Beckwith: Because before redistricting, I know the Senate and the White House both did polls.
Micah Beckwith: And they found that I think the Senate found that sixty-four percent of Republicans around the state wanted redistricting.
Micah Beckwith: And I think the White House poll showed sixty-nine percent wanted redistricting.
Micah Beckwith: So that seventy percent rings true.
Micah Beckwith: That wasn’t surprising to me when I saw that.
Micah Beckwith: It wasn’t like, oh wow, seventy.
Micah Beckwith: They weren’t engaged.
Micah Beckwith: They didn’t realize that.
Micah Beckwith: I think they had the problem that they had.
Micah Beckwith: I think, again, this is what we do as Republicans.
Micah Beckwith: We show up.
Micah Beckwith: Our poll is Election Day.
Micah Beckwith: That’s what we do.
Micah Beckwith: We show up, we vote.
Micah Beckwith: We vote for the right candidate.
Micah Beckwith: Then we send the candidate down for two or four years to the Statehouse.
Micah Beckwith: And we say, okay, go do your job.
Micah Beckwith: And do the job that you said you were going to do.
Micah Beckwith: The job that I voted for you to do.
Micah Beckwith: Stop whining about it.
Micah Beckwith: Get down there.
Micah Beckwith: Do the right thing.
Micah Beckwith: I shouldn’t have to come down and protest every other weekend to give you courage to do the thing you said you were going to do.
Micah Beckwith: And that’s oftentimes what happens.
Micah Beckwith: The left will come down.
Micah Beckwith: They’ll protest.
Micah Beckwith: They’ll protest.
Micah Beckwith: They’ll get buses.
Micah Beckwith: We saw buses from Illinois last week coming in every day.
Micah Beckwith: Illinois buses coming in, dropping off protesters.
Micah Beckwith: And they were protesting.
Micah Beckwith: And the Republican senators were like, where’s our side?
Micah Beckwith: It’s forty people against redistricting and only one person showed up for redistricting.
Micah Beckwith: And I said, we showed up on Election Day.
Micah Beckwith: We put you in there to do your job.
Micah Beckwith: We shouldn’t have to come down and testify in a committee hearing to give you the courage to do what you said you were going to do when we voted for you.
Micah Beckwith: Go do it.
Micah Beckwith: And if anything changes, we’ll vote for somebody else in two years or four years.
Micah Beckwith: But this is the problem with our elected officials.
Micah Beckwith: They think, oh my gosh, the protesters down at the Statehouse—that’s the real polling data that we need to look at.
Micah Beckwith: I’m like, guys, the polling data was you got elected and you wiped your competition.
Micah Beckwith: Like, you didn’t just win.
Micah Beckwith: You destroyed them in the election.
Micah Beckwith: That’s the poll you should go back and look at.
Micah Beckwith: Those are the people that want you to do the right thing.
Micah Beckwith:
And those are the people that are overwhelmingly in support of President Trump.
Todd Huff: We’ve just got about ninety seconds here, Micah.
Todd Huff: You spoke at that event, and I also spoke at that Turning Point Action event that day.
Todd Huff: It was raucous in there with the protesters and the screaming and all that sort of stuff.
Todd Huff: For me, it energized me.
Todd Huff: I loved every second of it.
Todd Huff: I sensed the same from you as well.
Todd Huff: But does that intimidate some of these people?
Todd Huff: It’s just bizarre to me that that would be something that even remotely registers on your scale of what I’m going to do as far as voting is concerned.
Todd Huff: Is that effective with these folks?
Todd Huff: Is that—that small of a crowd with the heckling and so forth?
Micah Beckwith: Oh yeah.
Micah Beckwith: They’re very scared by the hecklers.
Micah Beckwith: I mean, the left showing up and protesting down at the Statehouse—it’s very effective.
Micah Beckwith: I mean, when these senators have to walk through a line of people booing them, hissing at them, yelling shame at them, it gets to them.
Micah Beckwith: So, you know, last thing I’ll say here.
Micah Beckwith: You know how I know the senators who voted against redistricting were not on the side of righteousness?
Micah Beckwith: It’s because the people that were cheering for them when the vote failed were the people that I have seen for years who are fundamentally against the things of God.
Micah Beckwith: They hate pro-life.
Micah Beckwith: They hate parental rights.
Micah Beckwith: They want to push transgender mutilation on kids.
Micah Beckwith: They want open borders.
Micah Beckwith: They were the Biden–Kamala Marxist foot soldiers.
Micah Beckwith: Those were the people that were outside the Senate cheering for our Republicans when they voted down redistricting.
Micah Beckwith: I texted one senator and I said, don’t be deceived, senator.
Micah Beckwith: You are not on the side of righteousness when the people who are cheering for you are the pro-abortion-on-demand, transgender mutilation surgery people.
Micah Beckwith: The get-God-out-of-our-government people.
Micah Beckwith: I said, don’t be deceived.
Micah Beckwith: You are not on the side of righteousness with this vote.
Micah Beckwith: You can tell a lot about somebody more so by who their friends are in cases like this than probably anything else.
Todd Huff: Micah, I’ve got to cut.
Todd Huff: Thank you for making time for us today.
Todd Huff: That is Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith from the state of Indiana.
Todd Huff: Folks, I’ve got to take a time-out.
Todd Huff: You’re listening to Conservative, Not Bitter Talk.
Todd Huff: I’m your host, Todd Huff.
Todd Huff: Back in just a minute.
Todd Huff: All right, my friends, welcome back. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Micah Beckwith, lieutenant governor of the great state of Indiana.
Todd Huff: I know Friday’s show we had Mike Lindell on, who is now running for governor of the great state of Minnesota, as they say up there. I can do that—I’ve got family up there.
Todd Huff: So we couldn’t get into this much on Friday. I wanted to bring Micah on today and kind of do a post-mortem here on what happened.
Todd Huff: And listen, I know that there are lots of opinions about lots of people and what terms mean—conservative, Republican—and all this sort of stuff.
Todd Huff: It’s good to have perspective.
Todd Huff: I’ve known Micah in some capacity for probably seven or eight years, is my guess.
Todd Huff: And he’s been a guest host, as we talked about on this program—sounds like he needs to be reminded of that.
Todd Huff: But he’s been a friend of mine.
Todd Huff: We’ve done some things together.
Todd Huff: I spoke at—he used to run the Hoosier Leadership Series.
Todd Huff: I spoke at that with him.
Todd Huff: So we’ve gotten to know each other a little bit over the years.
Todd Huff: I appreciate Micah’s fight.
Todd Huff: And a lot of what he said there—it sounds like the exact same thing we’ve been saying here on this program.
Todd Huff: Again, this fight—wherever it’s happening now or next, wherever it’s going to happen now or next—there are other states: Virginia, Florida.
Todd Huff: Who knows what will happen in Maryland, to Micah’s point.
Todd Huff: They very well may redistrict anyway.
Todd Huff: That’s the way that deals Republicans make turn out.
Todd Huff: They tend to blow up in our faces.
Todd Huff: But anyway, I appreciate what the lieutenant governor does.
Todd Huff: He’s not traditional in a lot of the sense of what people are looking for—or what they’re used to, I should say.
Todd Huff: But he believes what he says.
Todd Huff: He’s not afraid to say it.
Todd Huff: And I like that.
Todd Huff: I like that about Micah.
Todd Huff: So I’m glad that he came on here to share some things with you.
Todd Huff: And hopefully—hopefully—it’s energizing.
Todd Huff: The next step is—look, to Micah’s point, he’s so right on this—that you go through phases as a voter.
Todd Huff: You go through phases as a voter where you think, okay, one side wants the death of children.
Todd Huff: The other side wants free speech and to protect all life.
Todd Huff: I think I picked the right side.
Todd Huff: And then you cast your vote.
Todd Huff: And then you think that you’ve done enough.
Todd Huff: And then you realize, wait a minute.
Todd Huff: These people—either some of them anyway—got me to vote for them by tricking me.
Todd Huff: By pretending to be more conservative than they were.
Todd Huff: Or they’re just weak.
Todd Huff: And when the people start hissing in the crowd—to Micah’s point—I shared that with you.
Todd Huff: They hiss.
Todd Huff: It doesn’t bother me at all, folks.
Todd Huff: It entertains me to know.
Todd Huff: And I’ve told that story more times than I probably should have.
Todd Huff: I found it fascinating.
Todd Huff: Because I keep telling people that are on the side against redistricting that right now your spokesperson—since none of the reasonable people on that side will tell me why they were against it—your spokespeople are the hissers.
Todd Huff: And that’s a remarkable place to be.
Todd Huff: To realize that that’s your spokesperson.
Todd Huff: That’s why I have this microphone here.
Todd Huff: Because I don’t want people speaking for me that are doing so in a crazy way.
Todd Huff: Sometimes that happens no matter what your political affiliation or ideology is.
Todd Huff: But they’re fine with it.
Todd Huff:Otherwise, they would have come out by now.
Todd Huff: The only one that came on—and to his credit—the only one that would come and have a dialogue with me about this is Bobay, the Democrat.
Todd Huff: And I credit him for that.
Todd Huff: I’m not voting for Bo.
Todd Huff: I can’t vote for Democrats right now.
Todd Huff: I think Bo is an okay guy.
Todd Huff: I think that’s bad news for Indiana to have a Democrat in any office right now because of some of these things we’ve seen.
Todd Huff: But you go from thinking, I voted for the right side, to realizing, wait a minute.
Todd Huff: I’ve got to hold these jokers accountable.
Todd Huff: To realizing that Reagan was right—that freedom is just one generation away from extinction.
Todd Huff: And again, we all can’t do everything.
Todd Huff: I get it.
Todd Huff: You all can’t sit there and go to the Statehouse, protest, or attend an event and cheer.
Todd Huff: You’re busy.
Todd Huff: I understand.
Todd Huff: And this is, again, I think part of the strategy that they have is that they’ve made—this is on a macro level—but they’ve created such a financial burden with inflation and everything else.
Todd Huff:
To where all you can focus on in many instances is just basically keeping your own household moving forward.
Todd Huff: Your own life together.
Todd Huff: Making sure you’re making ends meet.
Todd Huff: And then you have less freedom to go and to hold these jokers accountable.
Todd Huff: But there’s an evolution here as a voter.
Todd Huff: Not in the Darwinian sense.
Todd Huff: But just in the learn-and-grow sense.
Todd Huff: That, oh, this is what I’m up against.
Todd Huff: And now we should know what we’re up against.
Todd Huff: We should know what we’re up against.
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Todd Huff: My friends, that is about all the time that I have today.
Todd Huff: I do hope, in closing here, if you’re in Indiana or you’re elsewhere around the country—because this impacts everybody—I do hope you have not given up hope.
Todd Huff: That is what they want more than anything.
Todd Huff: Is for hope to go away.
Todd Huff: And for you to become disengaged and apathetic to the results.
Todd Huff: This stuff still matters.
Todd Huff: This fight is still waging.
Todd Huff: And my friends, we still have a chance to do some great things.
Todd Huff: But I’ve got to go.
Todd Huff: Have a great day.
Todd Huff: SDG.
