The Stack: Why Republicans Refuse to Play to Win
Republicans in Indiana had the votes, the authority, and the opportunity to strengthen their position in Congress—and chose not to act. In this episode, Todd explains why the refusal to redraw Indiana’s congressional maps wasn’t an act of moral restraint, but a failure of leadership with national consequences.
Lt. Governor Micah Beckwith warned that blue states like Maryland would not show the same restraint, and he was proven right almost immediately. Todd breaks down the hollow arguments used to oppose redistricting, including claims about voter trust, fairness, and political virtue, and explains why those arguments collapse under even basic scrutiny.
This is a blunt assessment of a Republican Party that too often refuses to use power it lawfully holds, while Democrats play for keeps. Moral posturing doesn’t stop the left. Winning does.
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Maryland Democratic state leaders say redistricting won’t be on the special session agenda
Indiana Republicans reject effort to redraw voting maps in rebuke to Trump
Republican lawmakers tell Trump something he’s not used to hearing: No
Trump was unable to insult his way to victory in Indiana redistricting battle
Senator Rod Bray and Indiana State Senate Republicans need to fight conservative causes
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📝 Transcript: Why Republicans Refuse to Play to Win
The Todd Huff Show – December 18, 2025
Host: Todd Huff
Todd Huff: All right, my friends, if you've listened to this program every day, as of course you should, you would have heard my interview with Lt. Governor of Indiana Micah Beckwith on Monday. And you would have heard Micah, somewhere during that interview, make a comment that he predicted within the next six months or so. That Maryland Democrat run blue. Maryland. Redistricting in spite of reports. That. Indiana state senate pro tem Rod Bray, my senator, by the way. Who has not gotten back with me still. And those are the facts. I don't expect it at this point.
Todd Huff: I've made my decision on Rod. And listen, we need. We need leadership. And we need representatives, senators that respect their constituents, respond to them. I did. I did. See? In fairness to Rod, he did sit down for an interview with the local. Publication. Kudos for seeing that happen. Well, for making time for that. Now that, of course, the vote is over and there's no. I mean, the issue is over and done with. Not much to do as far as address people's concerns.
Todd Huff: Have a dialogue during the actual. During the actual vote. Again, another poor sign of. I don't mean to pile on. I mean, he's a public official. This is just the. The way that it is. It's. It reminds me of Todd Young. In fact, I actually dug up the email. I dug up the email that I had had. Email exchange I had with Todd Young's office. I'll read that to you. It's five years old now anyway.
Todd Huff: But apparently there was a deal struck between Rod Bray, or at least discussions and agreements that Maryland would not be redistricting, although there was not a formal agreement. We don't really know what was happening, but that. That appears to not be the case. Micah said it might take, you know, down the line here we are not even six days. Down the line, and it appears that that is going to happen. At least Maryland is going to continue to push for that.
Todd Huff: And it's remarkable. Listen, for those of you in this state who were in favor of Indiana, or I should say opposed to Indiana redistricting, I hope your voices are as loud. To try to persuade Maryland not to. I hope you're as morally outraged at whatever you think is some fundamental basic truth that state legislators can't adjust these maps. Again, I'm remarkably consistent on this. Maryland can do this.
Todd Huff: I hope they don't. I'm not in Maryland. There's little to nothing that I can do about that. It's crazy to me. The catastrophic leadership. In the inability to carry out a victory for the Republican Party is mind numbing to me. It is. It's mind numbing to me. And it's like having this. I coached my last. I coached my last. Well, maybe my last little league basketball game last night.
Todd Huff: My daughter, our youngest daughter, is sixth grade. She played her last game. And you know. We won the game. We won the championship. In fact, we've. We've done pretty well. We've gone undefeated in that league for two years. Or in three seasons. We lost our first game of the season three seasons ago, and we've won every game since. Since then, we've, you know, they've all gotten better.
Todd Huff: It's a lot of fun. And of course there's a time, you know, we, we. We've gotten to. We were. We were pretty decent and, you know, I wanted to jump out, get ahead. You have to sit each player recorder and all that. And of course, I wasn't trying to run the score up ever on anybody. But until you get ahead, you have to. You have to play. To win, you got to put the pedal to the metal.
Todd Huff: You got to go out there with some intensity. Can't be happy with the two point lead. If you could have a 15 point lead and then of course we would adjust and not try to run the score up. But there's, there's no virtue in just focusing on, on all of that. You want to win first. And it's like Republicans, they just don't want to. To win. I. I don't understand it.
Todd Huff: They allow themselves to be framed by the the rules, the framework that the left uses to hold the conservatives and Republicans accountable while the left can do whatever they want and nobody their left can murder babies. I just. I. It is beyond me. To think that. To think that this is where our leadership has gotten us, it's pathetic. I mean, you literally can't make the case.
Todd Huff: In many cases. In many instances. You can't make the case that we shouldn't be killing unborn human life, or take your pick. That we don't have the political prerogative to redistrict it. Indiana, you can't win those fights. I don't. You don't want to win at some point. Or you only want to win by a couple points. Instead of winning by 20, let's win by one point.
Todd Huff: That. That's fair. Based on what? I. I don't understand these people. I don't. I. And. And it is. It's catastrophic. It is potentially catastrophic anyway. For the Republican Party, for the conservative movement. And I want to talk about that. Today, my friends.
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Todd Huff: This article here in CNN. To let you know that I'm not making this. I'm not making this up. Here we go. Micah. Actually, Micah, Lieutenant Governor Beckwith sent this to me late last night. Democrats had.
Todd Huff: Listen. Just think about the different ways that this is presented by the media. When it was happening in Indiana, this was an assault on a democracy. This was evil. This got me when I spoke at the State House. I still get humored by this. Besides being hissed at, which was a first for me.
Todd Huff: Being hissed at by someone who presented herself as an adult woman, minus the hissing. The hissing made her look like something other than an adult woman. But she was hissing. And that was part of what was going on there in the State House.
Todd Huff: That was the height of the argument against it, I guess. There was also a lot of chanting. Nazi fascist cheater was the biggest one. I still. I still have not had a single person. The invitation is open.
Todd Huff: If I had money, I guess I would give you a financial reward. It's not. Let me disclaim that. Clearly there is no financial reward. But if I did have money, I suppose I could say there's a financial reward if you can do it.
Todd Huff: I. I don't know how else to motivate people to tell me how it's cheating. Tell me how it's cheating. And you would do that? Like this? Todd, it is cheating because and then you would say why it's it's cheating.
Todd Huff: You would follow that with the next explanation. And if you really are forward thinking, you would think, okay, I anticipate this objection or response, so then I'll address that even. Right.
Todd Huff: So I'll say it's cheating because of this, and then I'll dig deeper to explain whatever to, to respond to the, the, the likely standard response to say, and this is why your standard response doesn't apply to this situation, and it's cheating.
Todd Huff: I've got nothing. I got nothing. I haven't had anything close to that. But they chanted cheater. They chanted it loud and proud up there in the balcony and the nosebleed section of the Capitol building that day, which whatever.
Todd Huff: Think what you will. This is from a few days ago. Democrats celebrated Indiana Republicans refusing to redistrict. They're still moving ahead with their own push. Written by a couple. I never understood why you need a couple of authors or a journalist to write these things.
Todd Huff: I guess they've got a collude. This is collusion. Now, I guess. Sarah Ferris and Ethan Cohen here.
Todd Huff: One day after Indiana Republicans decided to forego political gains by rejecting a new U.S. house map. Key Democrats made clear Friday they would still aim to redistrict in states their party controls. Literally.
Todd Huff: The ink hadn't dried on the bill. That Indiana Republican shot down in the Indiana State House. And yet they the. The deal. And again, there are reports. And I'm going to go. Where? Where's that report? I've got it in my stack. My stack is stuff.
Todd Huff: There were reports where it was reported that the. Senate Pro Tim in Indiana, the leader of the Senate, Rod Bray, and my senator, who still hasn't responded. To me. I don't expect him to.
Todd Huff: I. I set off the top. I've made my decision on Rod Bray. We are going to be firmly in opposition to him. I had a good friend, some people that I respect, telling me, you know, how great of a guy Rod was or is yesterday.
Todd Huff: And that's. That's great. I'm not here to attack Rod Bray's character or anything like that. That's not what I do. It might be what Trump does on occasion, but it's not what I'm doing here.
Todd Huff: But I'm saying we. I'm tired. I'm tired of this type of leadership. It reminds me of senator Todd Young, which is a senator here in the great state of Indiana. U. S. Senator.
Todd Huff: And I told you I invited him on the program. I was wrong. I thought it was. I thought I invited him on to talk about one of the Supreme Court justice nominations. I was wrong on that. And I've said that a couple times on here.
Todd Huff: I was wrong both times. I've said that. It was actually on Trump's impeachment. Hearings. Impeachment hearings. I sent them an invitation. January 21, 2020.
Todd Huff: And this is the response I got. Well, I. I sent. I sent the information. To his team. Invited him on the program. The response I got was this. Hi, Todd. Thanks for reaching out on background. Senator Young isn't going to be commenting beyond this statement.
Todd Huff: And I'll go. I'll go ahead and read. This will take us back in. Well, do I have it pulled up here? That's a screenshot. So I don't have the link. But there's a statement, basically. I mean, there's a very short statement, really, not giving any. Any substance, and that's. Whatever. Fine.
Todd Huff: I don't. Here it is. Here it is. I got it. Young Statement on Impeachment process. This goes way back to January 15, 2020. US Senator Todd Young today issued the following statement. Regarding articles of impeachment. Being trans transmitted to the Senate.
Todd Huff: The far left has been desperate to get rid of President Trump since day one, and that has been made abundantly clear throughout this process. Now that the articles are being delivered at, a trial will be held in the Senate. I will uphold my duty as an impeachment juror and carefully evaluate the legal arguments.
Todd Huff: I hope this process can be completed quickly so we can get back to the business of Hoosiers. And all Americans. Again, standard template stuff. It reminds me, if you watch the Office, this is. This is a little bit, of course, hyperbolic.
Todd Huff: But do you remember the episode where Dwight's. If you watch the office started the fire. To teach people in the office that they need to learn. Proper safety protocols. To make sure that they're not paying attention during these safety meetings.
Todd Huff: They don't know how to deal with the fire in the office. And he basically sabotaged the office. He trapped him in the office. He didn't set up well. He set a fire in the trash can. Smoke was going off, panic ensued. Stanley had a heart attack.
Todd Huff: And all the commotion, a lot of things happening there. But Michael and Dwight had to go to the corporate office, and they got in trouble. They got lectured because obviously this was chaotic.
Todd Huff: And so, as part of the consequence punishment, Dwight had. Dwight had to make a statement. To the office. A statement of regret. And so Michael said, they came back in, and Michael being Michael, Said Dwight.
Todd Huff: Will you now share your apology statement or whatever with the office? And Dwight opens a sheet of paper. And he says simply, I state my regret. And that was it.
Todd Huff: That's what I feel like. This announcement was from Rod Bray. But the response to my email, so this. That was the statement. So they gave me the link to the statement. I guess that was supposed to be enough for someone like me.
Todd Huff: That cares about substance, people like you that want to hear substance. So they said this is the all he's going to tell say during while the trial is ongoing. We would love to get him on. I get him on the show once impeachment ends, though.
Todd Huff: So they're happy again. Politicians. There's a lot of things here that are upsetting to constituents. Like me, and I'm guessing like you, number one. You have Republicans that don't play to win, they play with one hand tied behind their back.
Todd Huff: While the Democrats get to play with both fists and maybe a shiv in the process. If it's a metaphor, of course, my friends. And Republicans think, wow, I am really, you know, special person for letting this happen.
Todd Huff: I'm not even fighting fairly. It does remind me of Rush Limbaugh saying, Fighting with both hands tied behind my back just to make it fair. Of course, Rush could win, metaphorically, with both hands tied behind his back.
Todd Huff: I'm not sure some of these folks could win if they didn't have any encumbrance whatsoever. But they're happy to come on after the issue is passed. That is. That's. To me, that's not an acceptable way. To lead.
Todd Huff: We have reached a point. Listen, I'm not saying that there's not political compromise, but I'm saying for the godless radical left, who plays for keeps, who will do whatever it takes as long as it takes them, so long as it takes Trump away from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or at least prevents his agenda from being implemented. They will do whatever it takes. Literally, whatever it takes. That is what they've shown us they will do.
Todd Huff: We won't even use the legal and constitutional authority given to us because the other side might call us cheaters or whatever, and they can't even tell us what that is. Remember, the other side can't even tell us what a woman is. How in the world can they tell us what the cheating is on a perfectly legal, legitimate constitutional process? This has certainly not normal in the sense that these are done every 10 years. But what's the—there's nothing that prevents this truly, other than weak leadership.
Todd Huff: Or some sort of argument and standard that doesn't exist. I've got—actually, I'm gonna go through—I had a friend who I respect send me a link to a speech on the Senate floor prior to the vote here in Indiana arguing for redistricting. This is—listen, besides the hiss, this is the best I've got, so I commend and thank my friend for sending me that. Because I've not gotten any other argument besides this speech, and I'm gonna play it. And again, I just think you can't be serious.
Todd Huff: We must not really respect or appreciate what we're up against. We must not understand the lack of time that's left on the clock. It's just remarkable to me how we've gotten ourselves into this situation. And, of course, if these reports are true, that Rod Bray was calling the Democrat leader in the Maryland Senate to kind of work out, you know, potentially an agreement that says, hey, you don't redistrict if we don't. That deal has already fallen through, if that's of course what's happened.
Todd Huff: There are reports to Politico that there were four conversations, I believe, on this. These are anonymous sources. No one wants to be named because, of course, who knows, don't want to lose access to Rod or whatever. Which, again, says so much to me. This is just a mess. This is absolutely a mess.
Todd Huff: And it should be embarrassing to these people. It doesn't embarrass me because I don't have anything to do with this. I've been trying to prevent this. I've been trying to say, hey, this leadership is unacceptable. This leadership is weak.
Todd Huff: Republicans don't play by the same set of rules. There's nothing wrong with this. Like, I don't know. I truly don't know the argument. I'll play the best version of it here that I've had. But again, we've gotten ourselves into this mess.
Todd Huff: We have. Yes, the left has led us here, but the right, the conservatives, the Republican Party, haven't really done anything to fight back. They had an opportunity here in Indiana. I don't mean that uniformly across the board, but in my state it's incredibly disappointing and disheartening. And I'm going to tell you, we're in a fight here.
Todd Huff: We've got primary season coming up in May. And the people who voted against this, be ready to face some opposition. And they should. Political opposition, by the way. I hate to even have to say this, but for the idiots out there that make threats, that is unacceptable.
Todd Huff: We completely condemn that. It's not the answer. It's stupid, it's evil, it's wicked. You need to go to jail, basically. I'm talking to the people who want to politically hold these weak leaders accountable.
Todd Huff: It's cowardly. I don't know how else to say it. I don't like to say it. I really don't. But I did.
Todd Huff: So we know that this deal is apparently fallen through. It didn't even sound like it lasted five seconds. And Maryland appears to be poised to redistrict. So there you have it. It's catastrophic.
Todd Huff: A lot of Republicans are embarrassed by Trump's comments. Of course, I condemned those comments and wasn't trying to personally condemn Trump. In fact, I had someone on social media make comments saying that I was sinning by publicly disagreeing and calling those comments out that he made about Rob Reiner. More people are embarrassed about Trump's tweets.
Todd Huff: And all that sort of stuff than they are about leaders who just don't have the courage and the resolve and the toughness to see these things through. It doesn't personally embarrass me. But to me that's much more embarrassing. When you have the votes and you have the power and you have the legal authority.
Todd Huff: The constitutional authority, and you don't do it. That to me, when you look back at history and you see that this could literally have been the moment that turned things in the right direction or on their head. This could be that pinnacle, seminal moment anyway. Friends.
Spencer Deery: Thank you, Mr. President. Members of the senate. Four years ago as a candidate for the first political office of my life, I promise voters that I would always tell them the truth. Even if it made them mad. I believe in Republic, every election official's duty is to cut through the self interested talking points.
Spencer Deery: Okay? Our job is to seek the truth. Okay? Speak the truth. Fine. That is how I approach every bill. And I approach this one no differently.
Spencer Deery: I respect and love every one of you in this body. I mean that. Bottom of my heart. And if you have followed that process and reached different conclusions, I will still respect you. And I look forward to partnering with you on many more legislative fights to come.
Todd Huff: Hey, kudos to him for this. Spencer Deery, kudos to you. And let me tell you. That I've said similar things here. I can be a little blunt with my disappointment, and I do not apologize for that.
Todd Huff: But I can also tell you that I've said this is a political fight. This is truly politics. This is about politics. This isn't so much of what we call politics today is about has become an issue that's about good versus evil.
Todd Huff: This is not that. I do think by not passing this map that this, this new congressional map that we've opened up a door for evil to be pursued politically in our nation through representatives. That we elect here in our state. But the issue itself here.
Todd Huff: I agree it's a political issue. And we can have disagreements and still be friends along the way, I guess. I'm happy to do that. So I applaud him. For saying that he's much better than the hissers.
Todd Huff: And the people calling me and people who favored this Nazis, cheaters, fascists, whatever else they could come up with. But he continues here. But. This issue is too important. For me to not get up here.
Spencer Deery: Today and share the truth as I see it after many hours of objectively pursuing it. Fair enough. My bottom line is that after considering all the arguments offered in support of mid cycle gerrymandering. I see no justification phrase. First of all, reject that this is gerrymandering.
Spencer Deery: Gerrymandering Again, I've gone through the historical context of this. Gerrymandering is a specific phenomenon. It was first coined, I think, in 1812 by governor. Well, by the media, I think in regards at the time in Massachusetts.
Spencer Deery: It was first coined, I think, in 1812 by governor. Well, by the media, I think in regards at the time in Massachusetts. The governor's last name was Gerry. G E R R Y. There was a district drawn that resemble, resembled a salamander. And so they called it gerrymandering.
Spencer Deery: Gerrymandering, typically, traditionally, historically. Meant drawing districts that were incredibly oddly shaped so as to get the results. You know, that someone could win that seat. It's going out of their way. To draw these districts now.
Todd Huff: First of all, reject that this is gerrymandering. Gerrymandering again, I've gone through the historical context of this. Gerrymandering is a specific phenomenon. It was first coined, I think, in 1812. And it referred to drawing districts that were incredibly oddly shaped.
Todd Huff: So as to get the results you wanted. You know, that someone could win that seat. It's going out of their way. To draw these districts. Now these districts are mostly contiguous counties.
Todd Huff: The district that I would be in is. Has a sliver, and then it gets wider as you go further south. But there's not extreme gerrymandering. That's done here. I'm looking at the map now.
Todd Huff: I just. I want to say that I don't accept that this is some extreme gerrymandering. Yes, they drew districts to politically given advantage to Republicans as best as they as they could. Yes, that there are.
Todd Huff: There are skinny places and fatter places. In one district that's in the southwestern corner of the state. Kind of has a V shape. But it's nothing like overly dramatic.
Todd Huff: Where we've got completely odd shapes that resemble something, you know, like a salamander. But you can make the argument. You can certainly make the argument. And I can see that these are more in that direction than our current maps.
Todd Huff: But not I wouldn't say super dramatically. So some people could disagree with that. But they continue. Outweighs the harms it would inflict upon the people's faith in the integrity of our elections and our system of government.
Todd Huff: Okay. So he says that the drawing of the district, these new districts, undermines the faith that people have in our republic. Why is he going to tell me why? I mean.
Todd Huff: Why is that the case? Some say we should gerrymander now because Democrats have been doing it for years. But what you didn't tell me is why it undermined their trust. Now you've gone on to the arguments why we should do it. Why did it undermine their trust? Why, what is written that says we can't do this?
Todd Huff: There's nothing that says we can't do this. What is preventing us from doing this? It's a constitutional responsibility of the state legislature. If the state legislature decides it wants to do it, it absolutely can do it.
Todd Huff: There are certain rules, you know, these have to be contiguous counties, which they are. There has to be roughly the same number of people in each district. What doesn't have to be contiguous counties, it has to be contiguous area of a state. It can't have part of it here and then part of it over there without it being connected.
Todd Huff: And there has to be roughly the same number of people in these districts. Supreme Court is considering arguments about the Voting Rights Act and other factors. But those two things, we know it does that. Why does it undermine, again, the people's confidence in this process?
Todd Huff: I don't think he shared that. Maybe he thinks he does. He's a respectable guy. This isn't personal. I'm talking about the substance of this.
Todd Huff: Now he goes on to talk about just attack the rationale and the reasons for this without telling us why it undermines people's faith in the system and it's time for Republicans to catch up. That would be a sensible question to ask for years ago to ask or four years in the future. During the regular redistributing process.
Todd Huff: But since Washington, D.C. is pushing that question on us now, why though? I understand, Spencer. And you know what? Why weren't they asked then? Why weren't these proposed then?
Todd Huff: That's a fair question, but that cuts both ways. Why do we assume that Democrats should automatically. I've been through all this. Where is it written that they should have the highest chances of winning in two districts or four districts or three districts or eight districts?
Todd Huff: Where is this written? At what? Where do we come up with these things? It's the State House's responsibility to figure this out. Again, they weren't addressed when we drew them four years ago.
Todd Huff: But they could be addressed now. He has a problem that we're being requested by President Trump to do this. But there's nothing illegal about that. This doesn't violate federalism.
Todd Huff: We could have told them no. And in a sense, the final vote did tell Trump no. So I don't understand the problem here. I think that this is a straw man to at least the arguments I've made.
Todd Huff: And he doesn't necessarily know my argument. He's listening to other arguments, whatever. I made mine very clear, though. He continues.
Todd Huff: Now let's answer it now. Is one side behind in the gerrymandering arms race? The best metric to measure that is to simply add all the votes for Congress across the nation and then to compare that percentage with how power is actually distributed. Who told you this? Who told you that that's the best way to measure this is nuts to me.
Todd Huff: The way that we look at how this is baked in. And again, this is not an attack on him. I think that he's probably a really good guy. I think that I don't know him. I think he believes this.
Todd Huff: But what his starting premise is. I have questions about why we're starting there. Why is he starting here? Why is it the best way to determine the makeup of Congress to look at things nationally. And then to extrapolate from that what the Congress should be made up of.
Todd Huff: That is wild stuff. I know he's familiar with how we have the compromise that was made to have the bicameral legislature. Where we have two senators from every state. And we have proportional representation.
Todd Huff: The bigger your state is, the more representatives you have. There's more blue voters in California. If you take California out in these big blue states, then what happens? Why would you mix that up nationally?
Todd Huff: It just doesn't make any sense. You talk about federalism, what about the state, the rights of the states? Why does Iowa care about proportionally how many Democrats are in California when you throw them into one bucket. And then that we should somehow have that reflected nationwide.
Todd Huff: This is to me, I don't understand why that's the best way to determine this. And it's baked into the process and the minds of these folks that we have a two party system. That's another thing that's baked in there that they don't really, I think stop and question.
Todd Huff: But I gotta take a break from my friends. Quick time out. Back in just a minute. Welcome back, my friends. Third final segment of today's program. I want to get to as much of what is left of Spencer Deery's speech.
Todd Huff: He's from West Lafayette, by the way, District 23 in the state of Indiana. He's laying out what I consider to be the most cogent argument against redistricting, which Indiana voted down. I still don't think again. I've been through this.
Todd Huff: I still don't think it's very persuasive to me. I have lots of questions about his starting premises that I don't think he's asked. Or if he has, his. He just has assumptions that I reject.
Todd Huff: Again, namely that we automatically are a two party system. Where do they get this? I know in reality, that's what we have today. But that's not baked into the Constitution.
Todd Huff: How do we factor in third party? Should they not matter? Does this not. Do you not see how the people who say that we have a uni party would object to this as well?
Todd Huff: I mean, there's a bazillion objections or questions that I have. About this. He just states it as though we all should agree that that's how we should determine who has won the, quote, unquote, gerrymandering race.
Todd Huff: And I just reject the entire premise of how this is being discussed and how this is being argued. And how to think about this. But apparently I'm either in the minority or people haven't heard my objections, because none of this is what I. I certainly mentioned that blue states did it, but that's not the core of my argument anyway. I want to get to as much of that as I can.
Todd Huff: Again, if I can't get to it, it's on. You can listen to it and it's a totality on the website or just Google it. Is his name Spencer Deery? Spencer Deery? You can Google it. It's on YouTube.
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Todd Huff: I want to get to this as much as I can. My friends again. Spencer Deery's speech in opposition to the new maps. I'm not going to get through this whole thing, but again, we'll do our best here. If I can't get to it, it's on.
Todd Huff: You can listen to it and it's a totality on the website or just Google it. So, friends, one of the biggest challenges we have as conservatives is finding ways to ensure that our values align with how we live our lives, and that includes how we invest our money.
Todd Huff: I want to get to this as much of what is left of Spencer Deery's speech as I can. Again, if I can't get to it, it's on the website. You can listen to it in its entirety. I'm going to keep playing and responding along the way. And again, this is the best argument I've been given against redistricting.
Todd Huff: And I still don't find it persuasive. I have lots of questions about the assumptions that are being made. And I don't think those assumptions are actually grounded in the Constitution. But let's keep going here.
Spencer Deery: If one side was more successful at gerrymandering, there would be a mismatch between those two numbers. Nationwide, Republicans won fifty one percent of all the votes for Congress, and they won fifty one percent of the seats. Undeniably there are multiple states with corrupt looking maps and Democrat strongholds.
Spencer Deery: But this data shows Republicans have fully offset those maps in subtler, classier ways. Another justification for mid cycle gerrymandering is simply that we don't want Republicans to lose power.
Todd Huff: Pause. Now we're getting to part of what I would argue. But his first argument makes no sense. I've been through this. I just want to hit it again. You don't factor in. Let's say right now I'm an NBA—well, I'm a Pacers fan.
Todd Huff: In fact, we're going to the game tonight. I'm a Pacers fan. I wouldn't say I'm an NBA fan. The Thunder are twenty four and two. They got. They just lost their second game to the Spurs. Last two nights ago.
Todd Huff: And to determine someone's record, you don't go out and calculate the points of the total league and then take an average of that and say, oh, well, based upon this, the Thunder have, you know, X percent of the league's points. So they have X percent of the league's wins.
Todd Huff: That doesn't make any sense at all. And I would say in a similar fashion, this is a way, way over simplistic way of looking at the American electorate.
Todd Huff: But he continues here by talking about just attack the rationale and the reasons for this without telling us why it undermines people's faith in the system. And it's time for Republicans to catch up. That would be a sensible question to ask for years ago to ask or four years in the future. During the regular redistricting process. But since Washington, D.C. is pushing that question on us now, why though?
Todd Huff: I understand, Spencer. And you know what? Why weren't they asked then? Why weren't these proposed then? That's a fair question, but that cuts both ways. Why do we assume that Democrats should automatically get the highest chances of winning in two districts or four districts or three districts or eight districts?
Todd Huff: Where is this written? At what point do we come up with these things? It's the State House's responsibility to figure this out. Again, they weren't addressed when we drew them four years ago. But they could be addressed now.
Todd Huff: He has a problem that we're being requested by President Trump to do this. But there's nothing illegal about that. This doesn't violate federalism. We could have told them no. And in a sense, the final vote did tell Trump no.
Todd Huff: So I don't understand the problem here. I think that this is a straw man to at least the arguments I've made. And he doesn't necessarily know my argument. He's listening to other arguments, whatever. I made mine very clear, though.
Todd Huff: He continues. Now. Let's answer it now. Is one side behind in the gerrymandering arms race? The best metric to measure that is to simply add all the votes for Congress across the nation and then to compare that percentage with how power is actually distributed.
Todd Huff: Who told you this? Who told you that that's the best way to measure this is nuts to me. The way that we look at how this is baked in. And again, this is not an attack on him. I think that he's probably a really good guy. I think that I don't know him.
Todd Huff: I think he believes this. But what his starting premise is, I have questions about why we're starting there. Why is he starting here? Why is it the best way to determine the makeup of Congress to look at things nationally and then to extrapolate from that what the Congress should be made up of?
Todd Huff: That is wild stuff. I know he's familiar with how we have the compromise that was made to have the bicameral legislature. Where we have two senators from every state. And we have proportional representation. The bigger your state is, the more representatives you have.
Todd Huff: There's more blue voters in California. If you take California out in these big blue states, then what happens? Why would you mix that up nationally? It just doesn't make any sense. You talk about federalism, what about the state, the rights of the states?
Todd Huff: Why does Iowa care about proportionally how many Democrats are in California when you throw them into one bucket and then that we should somehow have that reflected nationwide? This is, to me, I don't understand why that's the best way to determine this. And it's baked into the process and the minds of these folks that we have a two party system.
Todd Huff: That's another thing that's baked in there that they don't really, I think, stop and question. But I gotta take a break from my friends. Quick time out. Back in just a minute. Welcome back, my friends. Third final segment of today's program.
Todd Huff: I want to get to as much of what is left of Spencer Deery's speech as I can. Again, if I can't get to it, it's on the website. You can listen to it in its entirety. I'm going to keep playing and responding along the way. And again, this is the best argument I've been given against redistricting.
Todd Huff: And I still don't find it persuasive. I have lots of questions about the assumptions that are being made. And I don't think those assumptions are actually grounded in the Constitution. But let's keep going here.
Spencer Deery: Another justification for mid cycle gerrymandering is simply that we don't want Republicans to lose power. But that isn't for me to decide. And it isn't for anyone in this body to decide either. Living in a free constitutional republic means we empower voters to make those decisions.
Spencer Deery: And we accept their will no matter what. And how does this prevent that? How does this prevent people from electing whoever they want? Are we suddenly not going to have elections? Are we suddenly not going to have people being represented?
Todd Huff: No. We're talking number one. We're talking about two seats, right? We're talking about two seats in our state. By the way, in maps that you are responsible for drawing if the body says they want to draw them.
Todd Huff: So again I ask you. What changes? Are there suddenly areas of the map that aren't going to have representation? No. You know what? It actually, as I said before, when you spread the Republican vote out over more districts so that they're all competitive, you actually make more competitive districts.
Todd Huff: How about this? Respectfully, Senator Deery, maybe the left, maybe the Democrat Party, if they stopped putting radical candidates up and abandoned their radical godless agenda that has caused real harm to Hoosiers and their families.
Todd Huff: I mean, they've created a culture of confusion. A culture that rejects truth. A culture of death with abortion. A culture that spins itself into oblivion. That's putting Hoosiers in real financial pickles.
Todd Huff: There's the open border issue that absolutely has impacted. There are states that have representatives that they should not have. Because illegal aliens were counted towards the census, which determined how many congressmen each state was allocated.
Todd Huff: Don't tell me that this is. That we're somehow preventing people from electing whoever they want. But how about we play to win again? I'm. I'm not intentionally cutting him off here.
Todd Huff: I'm not quite halfway through his speech. It's an eight minute speech. We're about three minutes in. You can listen to it on the website. Maybe I'll do more of this tomorrow.
Todd Huff: I don't know. We'll see what happens between then and now. But I. Gotta go. Out of time. Thanks for listening. SDG.
